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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Doesn't say anywhere but say if it was a money bill could they get done on lack of consultations??

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Do they have to give notice that it's a money bill find silver fox just did video regarding andy burnham

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    YYes so heart warming isn't it I emailed my mp who I have harnessed at some points demanding what he's going to vote he voted against I believe it's very important to thank all labour mps who have signed seems andy burnham really going for starmer silver fox video I'm starting to think this could be scrapped

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Silver fox video stated andy burnham going in on starmer and more mps up north will be signing i cant share video but try to find him on youtube where did you hear its a money bill

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I think I’m going to see what happens then if it goes ahead I’ll email the relevant people and say the change pip assessment needs is criteria for fatigue and pain as there’s nothing in the forms for that . I think the system is so complicated is hard to know what will happen

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 442 Empowering

    Well I had hope and felt happy , now reading all the negative stuff puts me back again .

    I just got awarded enhanced on both and still only for 3 years , because my hearing might be cured and my agoraphobia too which I've had since aged 7 . Oh and lets not forget sleep apnea (no cure and mine isn't related to weight as I am not over weight), but it might be cured according to the assessor .

    All the anxiety and stress of another review takes the joy out of the award , because we know its only a matter of time and it all starts again .

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    We need to flood mps again yep start again I mean it's friday today not long till Tuesday can someone do a template ??

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    I agree. I believe and could be wrong, that at re assessment we are treated as new claimants. If we loose PIP at that stage then what ? The ''existing claimants will stay the same forever'' is a load of rubbish in my opinion. They know what they are doing, they are offering ''nothing'' wrapped in a silk scarf. If folk here can see that then why oh why are the rebels so easily accepting the concessions. My head is not functioning very well at the mo, new meds for a chronic progressive condition are really messing with my reasoning etc, I have been told it can happen, suddenly I am a ranty person which is very alien to me, its scary. So, what I am trying to say above could be totally wrong, if it is I apologise. I personally think, looking at everything in the round, this is far far from over, they never ever offer anything without removing something else. I don't want to be the negative one here but I still think if not at this time, we will in the very near future, be facing very worrying changes that will be put through whether we like them or not.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    They don't satisfy me Zipz, I think we are being hoodwinked and I am in disbelief that the rebels are conceding so quickly with no getting their brains into gear first.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Sky news

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  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 4,245 Championing

    So what does any of this mean to existing claimants currently being reassessed?

    Are we classed as new claimants or keep our current awards?

    Confused.com

  • Jamk85
    Jamk85 Online Community Member Posts: 56 Empowering

    ''

    Future claimants, however, will be subject to the PIP four-point rule and to the reduction in the LCWRA element of UC.''

  • Jamk85
    Jamk85 Online Community Member Posts: 56 Empowering

    whether this is in 2029 or starting next year with a re-assessment before 2029, all rather confusing

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    You sum up very well what I cant just now MW, its rubbish and we know it. All the main pieces are still there, plus there is absolutely no clarification of existing claimants v what happens at re assessment and what that means for any of us.

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 249 Empowering

    existing claimants will continue to be assessed on the current criteria. New claims, I.e never claimed before or if you lose your current award after review and you claim again will have the 4 point’s criteria after 2026.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    From the dynamic duo . Rich is ex dwp and what he’s written is the way I read the concessions to mean . Obviously nothing is official from the government yet. I’m not convinced he’ll get it through anyway tbh

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  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    So nothing changes Martnip. Still going to be persecuted and still being hoodwinked.

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 472 Empowering

    It says it only affects new claimants, surely the people applying for the first time.

    If you're being reassessed your not a new claimant which is why you still keep getting paid whilst being reassessed.

    If your a new claimant you don't get paid until you've been awarded. How it seems to me anyway

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I know exactly how you feel Sarah , I begged my last assessor why am I always being assessed when there’s no cure . She was knowledgeable of my conditions and had my medical notes . Awarded me two years , dwp even knew it was too short and awarded 3 . My review forms on its way to me and I just migrated over to uc . One thing after another. But I do read this as those on pip get reassessed on the current system. So no change for us . I still think it needs voting down though as it’s two tier and not fair

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  • waylander9602
    waylander9602 Online Community Member Posts: 73 Empowering
    edited June 2025

    I've just seen on YouTube that the rebels are not happy with the concessions! And are still

    to fight on!

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