Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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I did say probably, didn't state it was fact. Might be an idea though instead of having two tier for pensioners on PIP and DLA when others get AA. PIP is an in work benefit so maybe it would be fairer to have all pension age people claim AA rather than make new rules for new claimants. Bring everyone onto a level playing field so to speak. Yes I would be prepared to change when I reach retirement age to make things fair to all. My dad is 5 years into parkinsons, his mobility and balance is terrible and he is 6 years into dementia so can't go out alone but manages with AA.
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Hello everybody. I think this is the end of my road. I cannot take living for however many more years with hte constant threat of changes to the wefaare system. My disability is advanced. No family no friends. Just daily pain. So I'm saying a big thankyou and goodbye. Bless you all. Zipz xx
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scope say don't start another thread on this but then they don't answer the question on their thread. I would like an answer instead of saying don't start a new thread as that remark is very unhelpful.
I want to know if the u turn is just a play on words. So, it says people on pip will now be protected but what does that mean. If you have someone on pip and they have a review after the changes are brought in, are they affected by the changes. not many people have a long award. most people have awards that last three years or five years.
So, once again scope. I ask you the same question. When someone comes up for review after being on pip do they come under the new rules. So if they don't get four points do they lose their pip.
Would appreciate an answer because a lot of questions people are asking are being ignored and a lot of people are worried
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Not a shred of hope or positivity has become of any of what this dreadful government has announced.
I have been trying to remain positive but its becoming increasingly difficult with so much stacked against us.
As for the idea of vouchers, well stick them up the jacksy!
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Sorry Meredith, I want to keep my PIP. I am a pensioner with long term debilitating conditions that I have had for many years. I do not want AA, it might work for your dad it would not work for me.
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MW, I still remain very deeply concerned by the whole ''we have won ''. There are so many unknowns to us at this point, we need the whole thing to be scrapped, not tinkered with. We still have the changes to the assessments to come yet and it is my belief all the money the Gov are loosing now with concessions will be taken back ''with interest'' when the changes occur. You are correct the phrasing is very ''fluffy'' we need an absolute definition for all of them, lets see if we get them, I doubt it, they will waffle as usual. Hope the meeting goes well, cant wait to hear the outcome 😊
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It does appear some folk are beginning to understand that we have not won ! It is just ''words'' from the Gov in an attempt to cover the cracks. Don't be fooled folks, we need to be vigilant now more than ever, we needed this paper to be scrapped altogether not just tinkered with 😊
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People are fuel for governments, and disabled people are pollutants of the fuel.
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Personally, I think the days of the Starmer government are numbered. He has assembled a fantastic team of incompetent people who literally turn everything they undertake into ashes.
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Who, since Rishi, has suggested Vouchers? It's been very Clear That's Not happening. Why has that word reared it's ugly head, again?
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because poster duc749 said on here (page 4) he/she is in favour of them ! 🙄
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duc749 said ⬇️
Personal Independence Payment should be paid in vouchers. Never understood why claimants receive money. Vouchers will allow claimants to purchase only items that will help their disability and not spent on irrelevant items. I have been on PIP for several years and believe that the maximum length between assessments should not exceed three years unless a terminal illness is diagnosed.
By switching to vouchers there would a reduction in claimants overnight. "
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Zipz don't you dare duck out now 🤗 you have so many friends here, we can get through this together buddy, one breath at a time 😊
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Hi @Zipz I'm really sorry how all of this is affecting you. It's been a really turbulent week to say the least. Please know you've got a community here that cares. I'm going to pop you an email imminently - please keep an eye out for it. 💛
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I totally understand why you would rather keep your PIP, my dad manages financially but only just. He has bladder and bowel incontinence and cannot change himself, his shoulders are bone on bone but nothing can be done because he's too frail for surgery. His parkinsons shuffle is a snails pace and he freezes, can't walk much anyway because all his life he's had a deformed foot that is now so bad he has special shoes made by the NHS, his tremors are almost constant now. He has the falls team out several times per week to get him up, sometimes twice in a day. Can't cook or dress himself and needs 24 hour supervision due to his health and his advanced dementia ……. that's not fair either that he gets less when his conditions are so advanced just because he managed to get through his working life without claiming any type of benefit. It's a sorry state of affairs when it's a two tier system either way, he's no less deserving of PIP than anyone else the only reason he hasn't got it is his age so he has AA which is less than PIP but as a pensioner. They have to do something to make things fair on everyone including those yet to claim for disabilities in the future, something has to give as it's not sustainable.
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I got my housing costs wrong! I just put my total rent. I got a notification to sign in to my UC account because my landlord had said my rent is so much plus an eligible service charge (added up to the same amount I’d put). I just had to confirm that my landlord was correct. UC were fine with it. I imagine it’s a common mistake and they could see the total rent was the same anyway
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I am trapped in a job I don't like that much because of consession my employer makes and although I am truly grateful I would like to get another job but the reason I stay is because getting a job at interview when you explain your disabilities means no one will touch you and I can see why so getting people into work is a joke sorry it won't happen, if it was simply a case of mobility a wheelchair and a ramp great but of someone is in alot of pain then just provide a wheelchair isn't enough mobility has to be considered and should be part of daily living also, I agree any vote of this getting through is wrong, pile the pressure on folks it's the only way we can win
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Hi @happyman I'd like to think that "new" means exactly that, but hesitant to say with 100% certainty until we've seen these concessions put on to paper.
I appreciate that's not the answer anyone wants right now but everything is moving so quickly at the minute with lots of conversations and decisions happening overnight almost, as we've seen this week, and the majority being shared via the media before the Government.
I'm really hopeful that we'll have some more clarity over the next week, especially early on with the vote taking place Tuesday. We'll try our absolute best to keep you informed as we're being updated but as @Albus_Scope mentioned, with the fast pace of changes we're all hearing at the same time, including us here at Scope.
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Hi Meredith, I am so sorry about your dad, I really am, no one deserves to be in that position re finances etc. Was your Dad too old to apply for PIP ? That is a bug bear of mine that there is a cut off in claiming it. I may have come across as a bit sharp I am sorry if I did, its just I don't want another argument about divisions in who deserves what to surface again, we should be standing together to make things better for all disabled no matter how old or their financial situation. I bowed out of a comment last week about means testing PIP, these comments divide folk, where we should be rallying especially now. I am not saying your comment was the same, I just want to get through a day as a pensioner without having to justify being old ( 67 - is that even old ? ) and on PIP 😊
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Forgot to add @happyman, I've popped a link to the previous Green Paper Discussion in the body of this discussion to refer back to.
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