Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 3,902 Championing

    Conclude! They haven't let the grass grow have they? What happened to the promise of working with disabled people?

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 307 Championing
  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Lizzy is speaking now.

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,159 Championing
    edited June 30

    Stephen Timms explanation of Welform Reform to MPs today: https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2025-0432/DCL-Welfare_Reform.pdf

    Timms Review of the PIP Assessment:

    https://qna.files.parliament.uk/ws-attachments/1817526/original/Timms%20Review%20of%20the%20PIP%20Assessment.pdf

    Hi @Rosie_Scope - can you change the 2nd link into a hyperlink please

  • Rosie_Scope
    Rosie_Scope Posts: 6,816 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    All done for you @chiarieds ☺️

  • Karl99
    Karl99 Online Community Member Posts: 15 Contributor

    Still absolutely no mention of CB-ESA support group. Disgusting!!!

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 249 Empowering
  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 307 Empowering
    edited June 30

    I'm unsure how things are going to work when PIP is what you have to claim for to get the UC health element when the WCA is scrapped. If PIP daily living is the gateway to the UC health element and you get enough points for this in daily living then I'm guessing you'll be left alone and get LCWRA money, but would you get PIP money as well?

    Will it be possible to only get LCWRA money, to only get PIP money, and to get both?

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 307 Championing

    You can rest assured that they'll make it so damn difficult to by able to claim this "health element" from 2028 onwards, it will be absolute chaos.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    You need to get enough points for DLA in PIP to get the new UC health element. So you either get both payments, or neither. They are incentivising a lot more people to try and get PIP, but, of course, they are tightening the screws on eligibility to make it much more difficult.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,572 Championing

    Thank you for that. Liz Kendall is just speaking in parliament about this now.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 253 Pioneering

    The whole thing is now rushed through with no clear indication on what the proposals are.

    MPs need to vote this down and start afresh. There are people life’s on the line.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 253 Pioneering

    some good news:

    Debbie Abrahams, the Labour chair of the work and pensions committee and the second signatory on Meg Millier’s reasoned amendment against the welfare bill, has said she cannot support the bill, despite the concessions, ITV’s Romilly Weeks reports. She has posted on social media.

    NEW: Debbie Abrahams one of 3 MPs to negotiate the welfare concessions with No 10 says they do not go far enough @ITVNewsPolitics

    She says the government rowed back on what had been negotiated and in the current form she will not be supporting the bill

    This is even more of a mess for the government than first thought. A costly u turn that might yet not get them off the hook

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    These reforms that are causing so much angst and distress will save less than the amount projected to be increased spending on asylum in the next 1-2 years.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 342 Pioneering

    because experts will call Starver et al. out on their fundamentally unwelcome ****. its the same reason Brexit happened.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 307 Empowering
    edited June 30

    Ah okay, I'm on LCWRA but not PIP at the moment, so when everything's rolled into PIP and I get reassessed I'll either end up on no money at all or more than what I'm on now.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering
    edited June 30


    Yes, but that's assuming they don't put additional protections in to avoid cliff edge situations like yours. These aspects of the bill are subject to the Timms review, as I understand it.

    Also… as an existing LCRWA claimant, I think you're protected in the immediate term.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 342 Pioneering

    Not quite. It's cause they know even if people know, they won't adequately oppose it. The UK left as a movement is politically and strategically inept. So it makes sense they won't care what the masses think.

    politics is about strategy, not just whether the facts are on your side. the facts are these cuts will lead to the completely avoidable deaths of thousands of disabled people. any strategy that isnt targeted, effective and relentless will fail.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 307 Championing
  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 412 Trailblazing

    This, amongst other things, just proves they have no/zero/zilch/nada understanding of the processes they are intent on 'reforming'.

    Even those raising questions don't have a single clue about the nuances/intracacies of welfare benefits.

    Seems to me they have chosen to wilfully remain ignorant by failing to consult 'experts' (us), and instead just had a wee discussion at the pub on a Friday evening about it.

    The stench of desperation from Kendall confirms, for me at least, they are not being completely transparent about their intentions.

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