Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Logically timms review is going to be tougher eligibility, as the primary reason for is to cut caseload.
So that existing claimants are not exempt from it is not something to be ignored, it is a big deal.The main difference is we have no idea what the changes will be, whilst with the 4 point requirement we know who will be affected by it. The 4 point system is just a bridge until the permanent timms changes come into play, as they were so desperate to make changes they were too impatient to wait until 2028.
The numbers you mentioned is very likely. They still going to hit their target, but now they have more time to prepare for it (due to the intermediate 4 point exemption) and to get try and get charities on side.2 -
I’m not even convinced they’ll try to get charities on side. They’ll claim to have consulted with them, but probably just ignore almost all of the suggestions and plough ahead with their plan. The bill doesn’t compel Timms to do anything more than have a few conversations with disabled people and disability groups.
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Yeah, they say time is a healer, and what you say is plausible. :(
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Now we get to find out which MPs support the state sanctioned murder of disabled people via this vote today. Will be very telling.
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does anyone have any idea what time the vote will take place today? Thanks
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What's going to happen to all the unpaid carers who are now going to have to go back to work even though their loved ones are significantly disabled but don't score enough on the point system?
Who is going to provide the care for thousands of disabled people that thousands of carers currently do and how is that cost effective ?
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the idea is that disabled people who rely on unpaid carers suddenly lose them. and then if they cant fend for themselves, they die. in their eyes, it's worth it to "balance te books" or whatever neoliberal drivel they think is true.
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I think what dawned on me yesterday watching the Kendall presentation (imagine getting your own policy wrong, is there a disabled person who could do that job instead? Just a thought!) that the real bad taste for me is the lack of disabled voices, period.
Even disabled MPs have said, nobody has spoken to us about this. Nobody has reached out. But there's so much spin from the government about 'moral' decisions and 'what disabled people need' and the 'system is failing', etc.
None of that comes from disabled people, because disabled people are not being asked. They're being TOLD. It's like they assume disabled people lack capacity/are children needing guidance and instruction by the Adults in charge, rather than being the best informed people about their quality of life and about how to make changes to get a better system.
Every time the government have been asked about this they've deflected. If someone hired an all white committee to discuss the rights of ethnic minorities, or an all male committee to debate women's rights, you know there'd be uproar. But disabled people? We need 'taking care' of. We're acceptable in society so long as we let everyone else speak for and over us.
When we speak for ourselves we get abuse and backlash - we're going to have to live with that for the next few months however the bill lays down at tonight's vote. But there will be no apology, nor any acknowledgement that disabled people are kept out of work by systemic ableism and lack of support/adjustments.
No, it will be more of the moral speak designed to tell us what is best for our needs. Entirely about us without us :/
Shameful in 2025.6 -
Thanks for confirming this…. When do they want us to start dying ?
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Hi mw,
May I copy your mps reply and post elsewhere with no names shown please as there’s still some confusion
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I think they’ll get it through, but it sounds like whips are making severe deselection threats so clearly pressure still on.
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Thank you mw,
There’s also a dwp letter on here which I’ll look for
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I am feeling this way too. I don't want the stress of a PIP claim if my LCWRA is okay.
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If you qualify, I dont think is a reason to not apply now?
Given the unstable nature of social security support, if you do qualify for PIP, at the very least its a second income in case something happens to your LCWRA.
From my understanding the change to LCWRA is that the planned freeze will now not apply to all existing LCWRA claimants, not just the claimants in the severe lifelong group. I am assuming the reassessments are still planned from 2026.2 -
The new criteria includes the 4 point rule,so we have infact won nothing but a short reprive,but seeing how it would have come into effect in 28/29 now moved falward to early 2027 we have infact lost ground,we are all going to be under this rule like it or not because pip is being rewritten to Include this rule,a 2 tier benefit system? I think not unless someone comes out and categorically makes a statement that current claimants will be protected forever which us what Robert peston stated last week but has since backtracked after reeves statement to the house on Monday,she said we would be included in the 4 point rule in the future so that's that!!
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I am so so thankful that only recently ish have I moved from ESA Contribution based to State Pension, I feel so bad for those going through all this as, if I was born just a couple of years later I would not have a clue what would happen to those in that category and would be feeling just like you right now .
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Im alright Jack is bad, but they also dont understand it, the concession is only for a couple of years until the Timms review is enacted, the "going forward" is misleading. I would personally be ok with a smaller PIP award, I think they should consider moving away from these one size fits all amounts, and consider reducing award amounts before removing eligibility. That community led proposal, one of the ideas was a tailor made level of support for the individual instead of one size fits all.
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We don't have one size fits all. Claimant A receives standard rate DL only. Claimant B receives the enhanced rate for both. There are multiple different payments. DLA had three tiers.
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I think any MP that votes for this bill today will be seeking alternative employment when it comes to the next GE.
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