Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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But no one contest what thier changing is that correct sorryto ask so many questions
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I was stating a fact not name calling as most are so wind your neck in it was not even a reply to yourself but to another member who like myself took no offence to my statement as I to his
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I agree. It's awful to see anybody hurting. 😔 Lets hope there's been some lessons learnt and politicians begin working with the community now 💜
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Catherine, I’m just the same, seeing anyone upset always tugs at my heart, no matter the backstory.
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Thanks chiaried ,
Obviously each assessment is individual so just to have a chance of not being constantly assessed would be an improvement.
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Her husband was big boss at dwp he's just left starmer hired her knowing she was way out of her depth and definitely not qualified mmm premeditated there is always something sinister behind starmers thinking
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Let's hope but I won't hold out for it
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I think you may be reading into things way too much there @Catherine21
But I do agree seeing anyone crying is horrible to see. I may not agree with some of her practices, but on a human level, I hope she's ok.
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Even when a Bill is a Money Bill, it still goes to the House of Lords after passing the Commons. The key difference is that the Lords can suggest changes, but the Commons doesn’t have to accept them. So while the Lords formally receive it, they can’t amend or block it, the final decision rests entirely with the Commons.
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If they want to get the benefits bill down, safeguard the permanently incapacitated/disabled and help those who can or could recover into a semblance of normality.
If you want them to recover help them. If the Right think mental illnesses among the youth is a play act or put on then why the hell didn't the Tories do anything about it during the 14 years they were in government?
You'll find that many Reform supporters actually DO care about the disabled and Reform's leadership are at odds with their supporters, this mantra that "mental health is the new bad back" will cost lives and put the safety of the public at risk. That Silver Fox and Andy Cabby on youtube are Reform supporters and they care about the mentally and physically disabled and so do the majority of the commenters on their videos.
Is Mental illness comparable to physical illness? If the mind is gone the body doesn't work, if the body is gone the mind will go. One has a baring on the other, the brain is the computer of the body, computers have malfunctions, viruses, incompatibilities but with Humans we cannot just reset and re-install windows, trauma from such as sexual, emotional and physical abuse can last forever. Ex-Soldiers who witnessed the most unspeakable things live with those memories and people have the damn audacity to tell me it's a joke?
Mods if you could re-word this term as it might make other readers upset then do so. S
***ide is one of the biggest enders of people between the ages of 18-35 in Britain and we have a political establishment who treats it like a cold.1 -
Thank you for your explanation @MW123 - I was just puzzled about the 'pre- commencement requirements' (whatever they were) in a document that had been published today, but that makes sense now.
I agree that the removal of the proposed new PIP 'eligibility' makes it a possibilty that the Bill could now be certified as a money bill. I'm not usually cynical, but the fact that the Gov't had it in writing under the Bill presented yesterday that they expected it to be certified as a money bill, made me wonder if they had already decided to remove Clause 5 about PIP due to the backlash they've had from constituents, disability charities & their own MPs.
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I think it's time to accept faith seems all wrapped up what a ride thankyou for explaining
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Next taxes will go up we will be blamed and they will say more cutbacks to benefits as not fair on tax payers could they scrap pip ?
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I think you need to read an outstanding book written by the fearless and most feared journalist in the UK - Jeremy Paxman - titled with "The Political Animal", which explores the world of politics and politicians. It closely examines the motivations and behaviour of politicians and, most of all, what makes them tick, providing a large number of real scenarios as case in point.
The truth is that politicians in general do not go into politics to serve anyone but themselves, leave alone a community.
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Really - even Reeves ?
We don't even know why she was crying
It could have been because she knows that she is going to be signing on soon - or just crocodile tears - because she failed in her job …
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Yes, that’s right, Catherine, the House of Lords still sees a money bill. And please don’t ever feel awkward about asking questions. If I can help, I’m always happy to.
When I first joined this forum a few years ago, I came with questions of my own about the PIP process. If others here hadn’t taken the time to explain things, I’d still be finding my way. That kind of support really makes all the difference when you’re navigating something so complex.
The help I received from members like Poppy12345 and @chiarieds genuinely made a difference. Most people here are incredibly generous with their knowledge and always willing to help others. So never feel awkward about asking for clarification if something doesn’t make sense, there’s no such thing as a silly question here.
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You're not being cynical, your assessment is spot on. It is clear the government, anticipating strong resistance and the risk of defeat, had already prepared for the removal of Clause 5 as a contingency. The expectation that the Bill would be certified as a Money Bill, even before Clause 5 was officially dropped, strongly suggests this was not a last-minute reaction but part of a calculated strategy.
I admit, I was holding out hope right up until the final moments that the Bill might be pulled altogether. Then I found myself thinking, “Please, just vote it down.” I remain convinced that this legislation is fundamentally flawed, and I am deeply concerned that from April next year, new claimants will face reduced financial support under UC.
That said, now that its passage seems all but inevitable, I believe the removal of Clause 5 could still work in our favour, provided the government honours its commitment to meaningful engagement. If lived experience is genuinely welcomed into the process, we may have a chance to shape something better. But if the consultation ends up echoing the failures of the Pathways to Work process, it will amount to little more than performative politics. MPs must now show they are prepared to listen to and work alongside their disabled constituents.
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and that’s the main problem with all of this.
Disabled community are up next for the firing squad.
Just have to read some of todays papers, or even the BBC, we are going to be blamed for everyone’s unhappiness in this country.
Then the media/politicians (ordered by the powers at play) will have to find another group of people as a scapegoat to justify the obliteration of living standards in the UK as more and more working people live in poverty.
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Thankyou
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Good point below, and do folks think a system of PR voting might moderate the right wing policies in British govt, or not.
The Green Party is more socialist than Labour, I'm voting Green next time, not ever Labour again.
And they're serious about saving the planet.
There is currently only one party worthy of my vote, the greens. But we have a awful voting system, which is assuring right wing politics thrives.0
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