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That was the third reading. Money bill or not, it now passes to the Lords. Although if it actually is a money bill, there's no guarantee that any objections from the Lords will be listened to.
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apples its just progressing as they normally do, I think to the House of Lords next but could be wrong. Oh and I know nothing about money bills sorry.
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How do we find out if it is a money bill ? Is there an announcement ?
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So are the pip changes going to affect existing claims or is everyone new and existing going to be affected.
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I have just read that the resulting bill has been treated as a money bill where it relates to the universal credit bill. I believe Zipz put a document up earlier that explains in detail.
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The Bill has cleared all stages through the Commons. The third reading is over. The government won, despite concessions.
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Just talking about you and here you appear 😊
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So as a money bill does that mean the Lords will have no say?
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They do but the Government don't have to listen to objections which is a shame and we think we live in a democracy.
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So it's definitely going to happen that after April 2026 new LCWRA claimants will be on much less money each month?
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Has the Bill been certified as a Money Bill? Where is the information? "Expected to be certified" does not equal "certified". Very worrying.
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I see, thanks for the explanation. Ah yes, our great democracy where an MP can be punished for ‘voting the wrong way’…🤦♀️
I’m feeling pretty hopeless at the moment, is there anything else that can be done to stop these cuts and changes from happening or are they inevitable now?
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Statement from Spinal Injuries Association.
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Exhausting
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@Passerby I didn't watch 🤦
Has anything changed in our position after tonight's vote ....In regards to our thinking ?
ESA / lcwra but no pip ....
Maybe another reassessment under wca ....
Depending on when it is hopefully should take us up to April 2028 ....
Then good chance it will be new claiments getting reassessed first with new pip assessment for health element....
Hopefully existing claimants won't get reassessed till earliest 2029 ....
Anything tonight that has changed that outlook ?
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Trust me, I haven't watched or even read anything about today's vote, including on this forum for the past 7 hrs or so, apart from your comment which I've just spotted in my email.
Don't worry, B&W will address the outcome in detail at the earliest opportunity.
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The Commons have primacy, the Lords are only a revising chamber.
We need to blame the Tory Lords who opposed Lloyd George's 1909 budget. That's why legislation was brought in 1911 to prevent HofL from repeating their shenanigans. Why we have money bills.
Lloyd George walking with Winston Churchill.
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I'm in the group who do not trust Timms one inch.
His statement around the inclusion of the word 'constantly' was worrying. He mumbled about it not being a change. It is a change.
What Timms implied when he said, paraphrasing here, the constantly element will only apply to the task attempted when a person with a severe condition is in a regression phase of their condition i.e. in regression they will be constantly unable to complete a task.
I think most conditions are variable to greater/lesser degrees. It seems to me Timms is cherry-picking the conditions he considers to be variable, and will be applying the 'constantly' requirement to all other conditions, which very few people, if any, will meet.
For myself, for example, I can leave home once in a while with someone with me. Even less frequently, I can go out to, say, an ATM on my own when the roads are empty or I can go to my local butcher when he opens at 6:30am and no-one is around. That means I am not constantly unable to leave home whenever I attempt to do so - which is I am unable 99% of the time I attempt to do so, but not constantly unable.
In short, I believe the use of the word 'constantly' was deliberate, and will be taken literally by assessors under DWP instruction. If it were not deliberate, they would have used 'consistently', rather than 'constantly'.
His statement around co-production was even worse, imo. Rather than confirm every participant in the review would have the right of veto, he said the Review would operate on a basis of consensus. That means the make-up of the Review Committee will be key in this. If it's top-heavy with compliant Labour MPs they will ride roughshod over our representatives.
I feel just about everything he says is said with a forked-tongue, and MPs walked into his trap.
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Sorry Zipz, my head is mush and I cant remember where I read it now ugh and cant find it because I have looked at so many links. All I remember is something about the green paper bill itself could not be certified as a money bill but the outcome of Universal Credit bill has been ? That's what I read, it might all become clearer tomorrow hopefully 😊
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