Immigration hotel costs

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  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,784 Championing
    edited August 13

    Neither of us grew up on Portland - my sister moved to Portland a few years ago after she lived in Weymouth for many years (decades) !

    There's fishing and collecting pebbles….

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 2,504 Championing

    I hope it does continue to be closely monitored. Thank you.

    I'm not clear as to why @wibbles feels his/her image posted earlier contributes anything meaningful to the discussion? Or his/her intent? It only seeks to undermine and discredit any of their further comments.

    On a separate note, when people are not only discerning about what information they believe, but informed enough to know that racism comes in many guises, including covert and insidious behaviour, then they'll better understand when to call it out.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,784 Championing

    In addition to 441 Euros, living expenses per month - they receive 191 Euros pocket money per month to spend on frivolities !!

  • idk
    idk Online Community Member Posts: 66 Empowering

    Good, I'm not sure what point you think you're making, but I'm glad Germany is treating humans like humans.

    Whatever you do, don't look into the Scandinavian prison system.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,477 Championing
    edited August 13

    One of my daughters-in-law is German, so we have had many conversations about the refugee crisis in Germany. The level of support asylum seekers receive there depends largely on whether they are staying in a refugee camp or in private accommodation.

    Those living in camps are provided with basic necessities such as food, shelter, heating, clothing and household items. They also receive monthly pocket money: €196 for single adults, €177 each for couples, and €126 for children under five.

    Asylum seekers who live outside of camps receive a higher monthly allowance to cover their needs. Single adults get €441, couples receive €397 each, and children under five receive €299. Rent and heating costs are covered as well, and one-off allowances for household essentials are also provided by the authorities.

    Asylum seekers are not permitted to work while residing in initial reception centres, which can last up to 18 months, and up to 24 months in certain states. Outside these reception centres, asylum seekers may be allowed to work after three months, however, this was previously subject to discretion.

    Recent legislation changes aim to facilitate work access, allowing asylum seekers to work after six months in reception centres and after three months outside of them. Each time asylum seekers wish to work, they must apply for an employment permit. This process requires a concrete job offer and approval which assesses labour market conditions and ensures wage standards are met. German citizens and EU nationals are typically given job priority, which can limit opportunities for newcomers.

    Healthcare access is limited during the first 36 months in Germany. While emergency care is covered, treatment for chronic illnesses is often excluded. After this period, asylum seekers become eligible for broader healthcare services through a refugee health card. This includes free treatment for acute illnesses, injuries, pregnancy care and vaccinations. Chronic conditions such as diabetes or heart disease are generally covered, although some treatments such as major dental work require special approval, as Germany have restricted access to dental treatment during the first 36 months of an asylum seekers stay.

    In recent months, Germany has tightened its border controls, turning away individuals who lack valid entry documents. As a result, asylum applications have dropped by over 50 per cent in the first half of 2025 compared to the previous year. Moreover, Germany has suspended its participation in the UN refugee resettlement programme, leaving many vulnerable individuals stranded abroad. The government is also speeding up deportations and expanding the list of “safe countries of origin” to simplify the rejection process.

  • WelshBlue
    WelshBlue Online Community Member Posts: 936 Championing

    You're wrong about on demand dental/ GP care.

    I've got no axe to grind in this thread … BUT … as someone who lives across from a council estate where there is a house just for asylum seekers right opposite me,

    and all sources quoted work for Social Services

    2 young Somalian men … jumped the queue in the local medical and dentistry clinics, in the height of the anger about pensioners losing the heating money, their heating was on all day every day … physics showed that by the visible vapour

    They left 2 weeks ago … the reason … the town was too quiet and the local Co-op too expensive … biggest whammy because people spoke Welsh

    All this after the council gave them a fully renovated house with up to date technology, stuff that many would give their right arms for, free of charge

    As I said no axe to grind here … but boy something is really wrong with the system when you can pick and choose ?

  • idk
    idk Online Community Member Posts: 66 Empowering

    That's just factually inaccurate, perhaps they were immigrants, maybe here on a sponsored visa, but they wouldn't have been asylum seekers, there's a big difference, despite media conflating the two.

    Asylum seekers don't get a choice, here's the government website - https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

    So chances are, the people you are talking about came here through immigration channels, and quite likely have a source of financial support that isn't the council.

    Such a house you talk about doesn't sound like a council property, sounds like a private property.

    Unless of course you saw all the documents to prove otherwise, which would be really strange, and a GDPR violation.

    There's a multi occupancy house next door to me that was recently renovated, several immigrants live there, it's run by a company that provides houses for immigrants though.

    I live in a pretty poor area, at least half the people on my street are immigrants, but you know what I do? The classic northern thing of getting to know them, some of them aren't interested, but others are very friendly, sometimes get some eid snacks.

  • Chris75_
    Chris75_ Online Community Member Posts: 3,181 Championing

    What are you after, would you like to see the dingy sunk?

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 10,895 Scope Online Community Coordinator
    edited August 13

    Let's keep things civil please @Ranald that line of questioning can only lead to people falling out. It'd be much more useful to throw some verified stats into the conversation. 😉

  • Chris75_
    Chris75_ Online Community Member Posts: 3,181 Championing
    edited August 13

    I will say no more on the subject in that case. I was just puzzled as to what that picture was meant to convey.

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 2,504 Championing

    Same here @Ranald but doubt even Wibbles knows!😉. Don't know about you but I've got more to do with my precious time than 'provide verified stats' (no disrespect to you @Albus) as it's perfectly acceptable to challenge, not appease;. not only somebody's reason. But their intent. Think we can use our own judgement to work that one out!

  • WelshBlue
    WelshBlue Online Community Member Posts: 936 Championing

    @idk … it's a council house, maintained by council workers, with council social services looking after them. And yes asylum seekers. That is fact from the mouths of people in the know … believe what you want, I'll still sleep tonight

    I've no skin in this game. From the far right to the total left. Both factions can be foul mouthed, inciting hatred as I witnessed the other week walking past a 'stop the boats' demonstration. The foulest mouth came from a woman old enough to know better remonstrating against the protest. The police did nothing when it was at the very least a Section 5 public order offence … possibly Affray

    … definitely assault when she threw a bottle of water over me when I asked how many she would put up

    Over and out on this thread

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,523 Championing
    edited August 13

    Neither of us grew up on Portland - my sister moved to Portland a few years ago after she lived in Weymouth for many years (decades) !

    There's fishing and collecting pebbles….

    So did your sister raise a family in Weymouth? Did she fall in love with a Portlander or does she like fishing? 😄 (that's my brother's story, married a Portlander, grandson about to start secondary school)

    Imagine if someone in my family knows someone in yours! Portland is a tiny place.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,523 Championing
    edited August 13

    (to other members who have commented on this thread - I know I'm being incredibly selfish by-passing the topic under discussion)

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 1,056 Championing

    I'm not talking about genuine refugees but those who I have seen online bragging about the hotel etc. I if they were fleeing why not stay in France, ltaly etc they are safe country. Those who have done crimes should be deported not countless appeals and granted by soft judges. I've seen clips with them taking swans ,ducks, pigeons even cats by one it was reported.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 872 Championing

    "I've seen clips with them taking swans ,ducks, pigeons even cats by one it was reported."

    Haven't you also seen them eating the dogs and cats of their neighbours and that not only have many dogs and cats been missing, but also that people are now scared of walking out their dogs?

    What about clips of supermarkets running out of beef and the UK beef cattle industry complaining about a gradual decline in their beef production due to asylum seekers stealing and eating their cows and beef calves?

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,477 Championing

    The Dublin Regulation requires asylum seekers to apply for protection in the first safe EU country they enter, with Eurodac fingerprints used to track arrivals and enable returns. However, many aim to reach countries like the UK or Sweden, often to join family or access better opportunities, and avoid registration in initial entry states like Italy, Greece or France.

    To evade detection, asylum seekers frequently refuse biometric registration or travel without documents, aided by smuggling networks. These criminal gangs coach them on avoiding fingerprinting and using illegal routes, profiting from the demand for covert passage across Europe. The strict rules of the Dublin system inadvertently fuel this illicit trade, pushing vulnerable people into dangerous journeys and empowering organised crime.

    Since Brexit, the UK is no longer part of the Dublin system and cannot automatically return asylum seekers to EU countries, creating a legal gap that complicates enforcement. While EU law requires registration in the first country of arrival, in practice, secondary movements are widespread. This undermines the system’s effectiveness and highlights ongoing challenges in fairness, border control and migration policy.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 872 Championing

    But how do we decide who is a genuine refugee ?

    For your information, it's not the task of common blokes on the street to decide but the Home Office, which is the government department responsible for deciding whether an individual claiming asylum is a genuine refugee. They assess each case based on the 1951 Refugee Convention and other relevant laws, determining if the individual has a well-founded fear of persecution in their home country. 

    Guess what - according to the latest data from the Home Office, over 70% of asylum cases have been found genuine.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 872 Championing
    edited August 14

    Be assured what you said earlier was spot on. Please, don't go away.

    I wonder, by the way, what the picture in question looked like or was about, as I've seen it!

  • Chris75_
    Chris75_ Online Community Member Posts: 3,181 Championing

    I'm going nowhere, not unless i get the boot; i'm just not commenting further on this thread.

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