Is Scope Disability Friendly anymore?
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think about how your words effect me thats so mean you didnt agree with me and are being pinickity boohooooooo
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what even are you arguing about because i said the rules say dont be a jerk? Serious??
they say to be civil and be polite and respectful which to me means dont be a jerk
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Hi all,
It looks like this conversation is getting a little heated. We’d like to keep the discussion open, but please remember that comments need to stay within the house rules.
If the discussion is starting to feel frustrating or upsetting, it might help to take a short step back and return later with a fresh perspective. If anything breaks the house rules, please report the post and let us deal with it rather than trying to respond.
Debate is healthy and it is good to hear a range of perspectives but let’s try to keep the conversation constructive and respectful so everyone can take part.
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Please do not insult my intelligence by suggesting I misunderstood your meaning. I did not. It is just this kind of comment that causes friction on the forum.
I have now said all I need to say on this subject and will not be commenting further on this thread.
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I feel the same regarding comments made to be by @baller
I will also be leaving this discussion.
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We have had to remove some comments as they were targeted at another member. There have already been several reminders about the conduct we expect in this discussion, and I’d like to issue a final reminder:
If anyone else wishes to share feedback, please avoid naming or criticising other members in this thread. If you have concerns about specific interactions, please report them directly so we can review them fairly.
This applies to all members. Attempting to skirt the rules through indirect references or careful wording that still targets other members is not appropriate and will be treated the same way.
Any further breaches may result in stronger action being taken.
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It upsets me to see members upset as i know you all have good intentions at heart and have been so supportive on the forum to me and many others hope you are ok
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why has my comment gone?
people need to know if you care about people mental health, then leave them alone
every one needs to stop picking on people because they dont write as well or you dont agree with them, writing better doesnt make you smarter or right
you can be a jerk by telling someone to bog off, but you can also be a jerk by picking on there words an talking them in circles because you have to be right or think you know better
words still matter even if they are flowered up and fancy
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I'll not say much more lest my words get misconstrued.
What I take away about being a member of this forum is that you need to abide by the House rules, but the Scope team will always use their discretion in dealing with any issues.
It would be naive to think that the Scope team don't get to know us, & our intent (as well as anybody can), but the main thing is that this is a safe & civil space for everyone.
All sorts of things have been brought up in response to rubin's query even tho new members, different ways of communicating, 'Ranks,' etc., don't seem to be a part of the problem from what other members have said.
When the Scope team have noticed, ''a rise in comments that, while sometimes ambiguous in wording, can come across as passive-aggressive, sarcastic, or needling'' as mentioned on p3 of this thread, together with saying, ''dismissive reactions, sarcastic responses, or comments that undermine others’ contributions are not acceptable'' then members are not imagining the problems they've identified.
Safety & safeguarding I appreciate are a very integral part of this community.
I think we are all mindful that our disability community has members with many & varied problems; I think we are all agreed that everybody matters equally, something the Scope team uphold, & I have therefore been saddened to see some of the comments in this thread.
I believe we all want to work together to keep this a safe & supportive community.
@Adrian_Scope - may I make a couple of suggestions:
- I think something like this used to be in the House Rules - ''Please be careful what you say. Not everyone shares the same sense of humour!'' - might it be helpful to add something like this back in?
- I think there had been some discussion previously about the use of the word 'Ranks' as it might be construed that one member seems 'more important than another.' - It had been said that perhaps the use of the word 'Levels' might be better - personally I would do away with them altogether if a way of enabling a member to edit their posts could be obtained by other means; I don't know what others think.
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I've seen it happen on other forums that member "hack" their post counts/ranks to feel more important.
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Although I was not going to comment further on this thread, I feel I have no choice when a classic example of passive aggressive behaviour is directed at me.
To start any post with a sentence and I quote "I'll not say much more lest my words get misconstrued" adds nothing to any thread.
To follow this up with and I quote " All sorts of things have been brought up in response to Rubin's query even though new members, different ways of communicating, "Ranks" etc don't seem to be part of the problem from what other members said" is a nonsense.
Communication has been mentioned on nearly every single page and how members might not understand how what they write impacts others.
Rubin's original question was "Do you find Scope non-friendly, toxic and not disability friendly"
As far as I can see all responses are showing where other members have identified why they think this might be.
Members should be working together for a safe and supportive forum for all.
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I told myself I would not return to this discussion as it is not the sort of thing I like to get involved in.
But reading through the last few posts, it feels like the disagreement may be less about opposing goals and more about how people are interpreting each other’s comments. A few of the points being made are actually really similar and it feels like we all share the same vision of a supportive and welcoming place, but they’re being heard as criticism rather than shared concern…
@Bluebell21, for what it's worth, I genuinely don't believe @chiarieds comment was directed at you specifically. I think the highlighted sentence was said out of worry, not as a dig at you or anyone else.
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I agree. I also think genuinely working towards a safe and supportive forum includes taking a step back to reflect; being kinder and less willing to be critical of others' well-meaning, good intentions could help.
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Thank you @Santosha12, I think maybe it is easier to see when at a distance from the disagreements.
I still think @OverlyAnxious summed it up perfectly with this: "I do wonder how people don't realise they're doing it. And of course it makes me wonder whether I do it without realising as well.
Just on a final note, I often see that two people feel attacked on here because they've both misunderstood each other."
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On the other hand i have met some wonderful wonderful people who i class as friends ive learnt alot especially reflection as said here stop stepback think where as before i was always on the attack personally a lifetime of defending myself also feeling stupid as my spelling bad reading messages so fast like i skim over posts and pick out words if i dont reread i can react but has also been moments of feeling ambushed but truly im grateful for all support advice guidance at some real low points in my life i feel i belong somewhere strange feeling at first but i started to respect and cherise this forum really invalueble a kind word correct information breaking topics down so i umderstand them theres still humanity in the world
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Ps never forget wonderful Albus his calming ways really taught me alot still think of Albus alot and hope hos sister family friends are ok Albus was a beautiful soul
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I don't want to get involved in the wider debate, but I just wanted to stop in to say that the site really misses Albus, and so do all of us :(
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Thank you @Emilee - I was only trying to sum up what I felt & thought about this discussion, & you read me correctly. Thank you @Santosha12 for your kindness too; I appreciate you both.
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There are different ways and reasons for people to feel unsafe posting. For me, it is the knowledge that no matter what I post, someone will come along and twist my words against me. Instead of just sharing their own opinion, there seems to be a need to reinterpret the words of others to prove why they are “wrong”, have framed things “incorrectly”, or are “overlooking” other people's concerns.
Some people may not like one-liners, emojis, or trying to laugh things off, but many people have also tried to express that they do not like passive-aggressive essays, being preached to, or being “corrected”, no matter what they say.
If we are talking about creating a space where people feel safe to participate, that should include allowing people to express themselves in different styles without having their words repeatedly dissected or reframed.
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You are so supportive and always give acurate advice you and mw123 and kimi and many more i would have been lost without all the support and advice
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