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  • whistles
    whistles Community member Posts: 1,583 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi whistles,

    It doesn't matter how many health problems you have, you score points on the descriptors that apply to you. You could score on one descriptor for one illness, and on a different descriptor for the same or a different illness. 
    The criteria for PIP is a lot easier to understand and to work with. There wasn't any descriptors for DLA, the criteria was much more vague. 

    Lee
    So why was i asked which condition was worse imo?
    The sad truth is the person sat in front of any claimant isn't going to know about every condition. 

    Sorry don't mean to hijack the thread. When i get my assessment back i can start a thread. 

    Just finding this forum so supportive and helpful and i am beginning to feel less shy about joining in.
    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • wilko
    wilko Community member Posts: 2,458 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi whistles, glad your settling in to the group, we have views opinions and make comments on each other's posts as long as the they are helpful and informative to others  giving support and encouragement then more the better, take care.
  • Matilda
    Matilda Community member Posts: 2,593 Disability Gamechanger
    @whistles

    Probably you were asked which condition was worse because most assessors don't have much of clue about what they are supposed to be doing; certainly the paramedics don't know anything about medical conditions.  My assessor asked about the symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and I could have been quoting from the phone book for all she appeared to comprehend.  She also pronounced one of my meds incorrectly.  Don't think she knew anything about common treatments for RA.
  • charlene
    charlene Community member Posts: 555 Pioneering
    Just wondering why the assessor was so keen to know who filled in my forms.  Does it mean, if someone else did so, that is cheating.  If I filled out my forms, I will be adversely judged for doing so. Both ways I lose!
    When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    No amount of knowledge on how to win your award will be of any use whatsoever if your assessor is having a "Target figure" day and doesn't care how dishonest they have to be to get the end of day figures to show their superiors. @wilko I agree with @Matilda about DLA it wasn't easy at all. It wasn't just the assessor that was listened to as DWP do now but GP's were contacted and evidence was used properly. It was accepted I needed help with preparing food, but 7 years on I don't need help. I actually need more help now. You have seen my posts and trust me I can explain things in every detail but that won't work with an assessor who isn't listening. 
  • Matilda
    Matilda Community member Posts: 2,593 Disability Gamechanger
    The assessors do ask some questions that seem irrelevant.  My assessor asked who I call on my mobile phone.  I think sometimes the assessors don't know what else to ask and ask whatever comes into their head at the time to make up the number of questions, as it were!
  • wilko
    wilko Community member Posts: 2,458 Disability Gamechanger
    @charlene, maybe the person who filled in the form for you or anybody else in fact may word it in a way as to make it more informative and factual than you yourself are presenting the answers to the acessor, hence the question. If somebody fills the form on your behalf there is a place on the form to declare that detail the acessor just had to look on the relevant screen to see this.
  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Community member Posts: 5,209 Disability Gamechanger
    I think sometimes a well completed form that is comprehensive and easy to understand can help an HCP make the right decision. By showing that you understand the system leaves little room for them to make errors.

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • Matilda
    Matilda Community member Posts: 2,593 Disability Gamechanger
    @charlene

    It doesn't matter who filled in the form, it only matters who signed it - and that was you.
  • charlene
    charlene Community member Posts: 555 Pioneering
    Hi Matilda, they asked about who you call on your mobile to see if you socialize with others.  I told them the senior physic told me to carry a mobile, as I was falling, and could ring for help if I couldn't get up. Also because I have a bad memory Drs, hospital, audiology text me to remind me I have an appointment.
    When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
  • wilko
    wilko Community member Posts: 2,458 Disability Gamechanger
    @wildlife, don't take this wrong, you said you needed help with preparing good now 7 yrs on you didn't at that time did you inform DWP of your improvements, if no why not, I expect most claimants worry that if they did another acessment would be forth coming and a loss of benefits. So mum's the word but when things turn for the worst we are quick to notify DWP for a possible increase in benefits thank you. I waited over 3 months before informing DWP that my mobility had got worst and filled in new form had f2f and got the same living and enhanced mobility, I had all ready bought my own scooters before being awarded PIP so I didn't updaeDWP on my mobility issues for gain but it does state in your award letter if any changes you have to let them know which I did.
  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    edited March 2018
    I think this question of who filled in the form gives the assessor information as to whether you're capable of writing, thinking, holding a pen etc. It's nothing to do with the information actually written about you. It's one of the trick questions that gives them reasons why you can do other things. For example they may say as you filled in your own claim form you have no cognitive impairment. The fact you may have forgotten you put the chip pan on and nearly burned the house down then becomes irrelevant information when doing your report.    
  • Salamka101
    Salamka101 Community member Posts: 40 Courageous
    Hi@Waylay 
    I'm sure there are some caring Tories but they tend not to rise in the Party. I remember more than 40 years ago when I was active in the campaign to replace the old invalid trikes with the original Mobility Allowance. The trikes were an abomination, single seater 3 wheel underpowered and dangerous. Each cost more to make than an average saloon car of the time. When asked why the Government would not replace them with proper cars the answer we got was 'because too many people would apply' .Cost before lives has always been the Tory way but at least there was a time when they gave honest answers. however unfair.

    Salamka101
     
  • Matilda
    Matilda Community member Posts: 2,593 Disability Gamechanger
    Thanks, @charlene.

    I told assessor that I called family, friends and taxi companies on my mobile.  However, as I had claimed for no mental health issues, whether I socialised or not wasn't all that relevant.  I suppose assessor might have wanted to ascertain if I had some kind of support network.  But she assumed that I use my mobile for most calls which I don't - I still make and receive most of my calls on my landline, except of course if I need to phone for a taxi when not at home.  So who I call on my mobile isn't all that important as I don't use it much for calls.  Assessors make incorrect assumptions, in addition to all their other faults!
  • Salamka101
    Salamka101 Community member Posts: 40 Courageous
    @wilko
    Got to take issue with you over PiP being fairer than DLA and your comment about 'free' cars. The old Mobility Allowance was introduced to replace the old Invalid trike. Motability was introduced to help those who wanted to to exchange that allowance for the use of a vehicle mostly to get to and from work or to find work. In my case my mobility vehicle kept me in work for 40 years. Instead of living a life on benefits I found work, paid IncomeTax and NI and contributed to Society even starting a family.
    As for fairness - If I could walk 19 metres (19 steps) I could have kept my Car, one step more I lose it even though that 20 metres is not sufficient to get to either end of the street. Where is the fairness in  that?

    Salamka101

  • wilko
    wilko Community member Posts: 2,458 Disability Gamechanger
    @,salamka101, sorry I forgot about the be three wheeled mobility invalid trike. Vaguely remember seeing those while I was going to school such a long time ago thank you for the reminder. That's a good point you raise about keeping you in work and paying your taxes ect, maybe the government should put a plan forward where a person would loose their car can keep it because they are working and paying taxes ect and if they loose it they would not and be claiming benefits instead. But how many like yourself are or can or want to work? They would sooner live on benefits and have a free car I don't know. The same goes for the free bus passes a lot of users I see have a car and use free bus ride save on parking and seen while on holiday they drive to the park and ride and use the bus pass to get into the city ect on one bus dubble decker less than a dozen people where fare payers
  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    edited March 2018
    @wilko May I ask you to be more careful what you accuse people of? Or,at least, make sure you've got your facts straight. You misunderstood or misread what I said about preparing food. I have not improved so have done nothing wrong. OK I should have said it was my assessor and the DWP decision maker who decided I didn't need help at the time of my assessment last year. If you check back as I have done in the next sentence I said "I need more help now." My assessor falsified a whole A4 sheet of exercise results and ignored a physio report with correct results for upper body problems. Having done this she was then able to write repeatedly on my report that my upper body strength and mobility was normal. WRONG !!! There are many people who've been treated in this way and that is what this discussion is about not for one forum member to accuse another of dishonesty.  
  • charlene
    charlene Community member Posts: 555 Pioneering
    So much for taking note of good and bad  days. My form took me 3 to 4 weeks to complete, filled it out on only good days.
    When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
  • charlene
    charlene Community member Posts: 555 Pioneering
    Hello Widelife, I saw the questioning concerning my form and who wrote it from a diferent perspective.  If someone else had filled it in who had experience and knowledge  of filling in such forms maybe they could slant the answers to benefit me. I told the assessor I have brain fog and short term memory problems, but obviously these are not 24 hours a day. However short term memory problems have in the past led me to go out and come back to a smoke filled house on 2 ocassions. On both ocassions I had to ring the fire brigade.
    When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    @charlene I was asked what jobs I did when I left school. I'm 67. I remembered some but had to be prompted by MOH about a period in the WRAF when I met him and got married. Lol. Anyhow apart from the funny side I was  getting noticeably distressed as I didn't understand what this had to do with what I need help with now. My assessor decided that as I could remember most of my jobs I had no memory problems and because one of the jobs in my 20's involved handling money I had no problems dealing with money now, or last year when I had my assessment. It's a well known fact that short term memory goes first. I can't remember what I did 2 minutes ago but can remember years ago. 

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