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  • Vixen3869
    Vixen3869 Community member Posts: 7 Listener
    Most PIP applications are turned down, I read somewhere that they turn them down to save funds and most that apply and are turned down are so dis-heartend by the reply they Don't challenge the PIP so they did save money. 
  • charlene
    charlene Community member Posts: 555 Pioneering
    Haven't had  an answer yet to my pip assessment. After reading all these posts I am already preparing for an MR and Tribunal.
    When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
  • wilko
    wilko Community member Posts: 2,458 Disability Gamechanger
    @charlene, why haven't you requested a copy of your acessment report take about 14 days to arrive. From reading your report you will and should be able to work out what your award may or should be, and if not what you expect or deserve you can scroll the report and use the information to prepare for a MR.
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Community member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    charlene said:
    Haven't had  an answer yet to my pip assessment. After reading all these posts I am already preparing for an MR and Tribunal.

    @chasnbons I would advise you call the PIP helpline and ask for your assessment form, to note if you had an assessment at a centre or at home you need to ask for the report called PA4.

    If it was done on Paper Based (Not at a centre or Home) then ask for form PA3, you are entitled to this as it's your right, you will be able to see what has been said about you whether it be lies or the truth. The DWP will nearly always go with what is on those forms.

    Asking for these form will not be an issue to you or your outcome, also it will give you advance warning if you need to prepare for a MR/Appeal.

    Good luck.
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    You can see the video here.
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  • Matilda
    Matilda Community member Posts: 2,593 Disability Gamechanger
    I found that my assessor wasn't interested in percentages.  I started to explain that I had 5 bad days a week on average and her eyes glazed over so then I just said 5 days a week and she seemed happy.

    Assessors do go quite a lot by what they see on the day but not exclusively.  If an assessor goes only by what they see on the day then the claimant will have many grounds for appeal.
  • zacthezebra
    zacthezebra Community member Posts: 36 Courageous
    edited March 2018


    @zacthezebra Well done in getting a decent HCP, I did as well but mine diden't lie or bend the truth either and that was Capita.

    Im interested in the comment you've also made where your PIP was used to make a decision for your ESA SG? I wonder how that become to be.

    ....".............

    I believe as I also was on DLA indefinitely H Mobility L care?
    Then changed to PIP for me has proved better for me and covers my needs, in respects regarding my majority of days where as DLA H care was based on day and night care. So yes in my situation PIP is better.

    I also truly believe GP's carry less wheight under PIP as they don't really know the full extent of your functional ability where as psychiatrists, occupational therapists etc will.


    Thanks glad you got a decent HCP there are some out there but unfortunately there are many very bad ones.

    I was moved from incapacity benefit to ESA. I completed the ESA 50 forms and sent them in and expected a f2f request. I cannot remember when but after my PIP assessment which was carried out at home I received a letter informing me I was in the support group.My PIP decision only took 4 weeks.
    I called the DWP and the lady told me they had used my PIP assessment and the 50 pages of supporting evidence for my ESA award. I never had a f2f ESA


  • Buster09
    Buster09 Community member Posts: 3 Listener
    Can someone please tell me if I will get backdated money from when I made the phone call, to change my circumstances? I’m on low rate pip for both, but as my condition has got worse, I had my f2f at home on January 30. I’m just getting myself worked up and want to know that if I’m awarded high rate, will I get the top up backdated? Thank you
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Community member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    Buster09 said:
    Can someone please tell me if I will get backdated money from when I made the phone call, to change my circumstances? I’m on low rate pip for both, but as my condition has got worse, I had my f2f at home on January 30. I’m just getting myself worked up and want to know that if I’m awarded high rate, will I get the top up backdated? Thank you

    @Buster09 No certainly not you will only get the higher amount from the date of the decision Not from you CC. Nor will it be backdated to the home assessment.

    So if the DWP CM grants you a heigher award it will be from that date of his or her decision only. Good luck.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Community member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    edited March 2018



    @zacthezebra Well done in getting a decent HCP, I did as well but mine diden't lie or bend the truth either and that was Capita.

    Im interested in the comment you've also made where your PIP was used to make a decision for your ESA SG? I wonder how that become to be.

    ....".............

    I believe as I also was on DLA indefinitely H Mobility L care?
    Then changed to PIP for me has proved better for me and covers my needs, in respects regarding my majority of days where as DLA H care was based on day and night care. So yes in my situation PIP is better.

    I also truly believe GP's carry less wheight under PIP as they don't really know the full extent of your functional ability where as psychiatrists, occupational therapists etc will.


    Thanks glad you got a decent HCP there are some out there but unfortunately there are many very bad ones.

    I was moved from incapacity benefit to ESA. I completed the ESA 50 forms and sent them in and expected a f2f request. I cannot remember when but after my PIP assessment which was carried out at home I received a letter informing me I was in the support group.My PIP decision only took 4 weeks.
    I called the DWP and the lady told me they had used my PIP assessment and the 50 pages of supporting evidence for my ESA award. I never had a f2f ESA



    @zacthezebra Thanks for the reply. Yes I was lucky that the HCP I had done mine she was great as I diden't get a face to face nor a home visit she did it all on Paperwork and evidence and was done the right way and not one lie either.

    As for you ESA Vs PIP it's a little hard to work it out if yours was fate as they where close together. I do know that they use ESA for PIP and PIP for ESA as I had this when I was one DLA and used ESA for that also and clearly states on my DLA award at the time that ESA was used.



    Also my PIP No further review needed I was very lucky and the truth prevailed. Very unusual for Capita.


    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • whistles
    whistles Community member Posts: 1,583 Disability Gamechanger
    I wasnt seen for ESA. 
    I think it's showing that we are somehow seen as individuals. 

    Although my assessment chap was polite. He viewed me as functioning fine.
    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • Neil06
    Neil06 Community member Posts: 23 Connected
    Hi guys and girls wildlife knows what am going through at this time round my PIP claim and the mess the DWP have maid on my mandatory reconsideration, I got zero points on my PIP claim I asked for a copie the Capita Assessor report when it turned up she had lied all the way through it she put the total opposite to what I told her she keep saying to me when I tried to tell her how my disability affects me they is personal or I don't need to know that or it's not relevant I have put in a complaint to Capita over this. The Decision Maker said that there was no Specialist input from any Medical Advisors which from day one they had over 40pages worth. I asked for a mandatory reconsideration which I was told I had 28days to send in what I was appealing against which I sent into them and all the evedince again the day after I phoned them, a week later I got a letter dated the day after I asked for the mandatory reconsideration turn me down saying I did not tell them what I was appealing against and their was no evedince provided yet I only sent my mandatory reconsideration appeal in the day after I phoned them and they got it the day after the date on their letter turning me down I phoned up to ask why the letter been sent out turning me down to which I was told not to worry someone still look at it a week later I phoned back up to make sure it was still been looked at to be told no one had looked at it. I told the person on the phone that if I had known the week before that it want going be looked at I would sent off to the tribunal to which I was told to still apply to the tribunal and in the mean time they was going get someone to look at my mandatory reconsideration just in case the out come does not go the way I was hopping my paper work was all reading into the tribunal but if the out come did go my way I can call up and cancel the tribunal the person on the phone even told me that the letter that was sent out to me the day after I had phoned up should never been sent out until after the 28 days had passed and that they received my paper work 2days after I phoned up asking for the mandatory reconsideration a few days later I got a letter saying it was to later for them to look at my mandatory reconsideration and I was to apply for a tribunal yet I was well in the 28 days you are given to send in your mandatory reconsideration it is now going to tribunal just waiting on my date for it the tribunal have got copies of all my medical evedince copies of what I was appealing against and dates times and who I had spoken too at the DWP PIP and what was said.
  • Waylay
    Waylay Community member, Scope Member Posts: 973 Pioneering
    Hi @Neil06, the same thing happened to me.
  • Waylay
    Waylay Community member, Scope Member Posts: 973 Pioneering
    Hi @whistles, sometimes I think that the polite ones are more dangerous....
  • Toffee
    Toffee Community member Posts: 251 Pioneering
    Hi this is my 3rd time applying for pip cab filled in the form for me so am waiting now 
  • Neil06
    Neil06 Community member Posts: 23 Connected
    Hi Toffee it was my 3rd time I had someone help fill my form in for me remember to get hold on a copie of the assessor report and put a compliant into them if their is things in it that you did not do or say my assessor lied all the way through my report she put the total opposite to what I told her.
  • Neil06
    Neil06 Community member Posts: 23 Connected
    Hi everyone please remember every time you call the DWP PIP to write down the Time Date and Name the person you spoken too and what department their in, also write down what you spoken about this is all evedince if you after go to Tribunal. Remember when you send your paper work into the tribunal to send a copie this in. Also remember to complain to the company that done your assessment if the assessor has put stuff down on their report that was not said or observed Remeber to ask for a copie of their report this will help you if you after ask for a mandatory reconsideration as you can see if they have put something that did not happen or was said or if the DWP have said the opposite to the assessor.
  • Neil06
    Neil06 Community member Posts: 23 Connected
    @Waylay I think that the DWP hope that people who get turned down think f**k it and don't ask for a mandatory reconsideration or even take them to the tribunal. what got me with men was the assessor lied all the way through her report I put a complaint into Capita round her behaviour towards me their investigation she lied in that she said stuff in that which she said that was the total opposite to what she put in her report saying what she observed I have at to re appeal their investergation and point out what she told them is totally different to what she put in her report now got wait to hear back on that but we all know Capita don't want to know. Has for the DWP decision maker saying that their was no evedince from MH or any Pain Managment Team or Occupation Health Team and GP input which they had over 40 pages worth from day one then to turn my mandatory reconsideration the day after I phoned up telling them I be sending into them in writing what I was appealing against yet be turned down off them before they even got my paper work well now it's going to tribunal just waiting on the date on it. 
  • jaycee6
    jaycee6 Community member Posts: 52 Courageous
    Another problem is Dla had  3 rates now we are down to 2.So you can see they have got rid of those on low care.Also now walking distance has been reduced so they can get rid of cars.What is the future just 1 rate where only severe cases get benefit.and people who cant walk at all get a car.It makes you wonder what the furure will be.
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