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Why have PIP done 2 assessments in a week?

sarah1986
sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
Hi all please can I ask y have pip done 2 assessments in a week. I had a telephone assessment on 15 Feb requested my report crossed check it 31 points. A few days later my local MP requested my report he received a paperbased one that was done on the 23rd of Feb, which we knew nothing about
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  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 12,785 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi there 

    Tbh I'm not sure not heard of this before unless the copy the mp got was a decision based on a combination of 0paper and phone assessment 

    Unless anyone else can advise I suggest you give them a call 
    I have professional experience in HR within public,  private, and charity sectors.  If I can help I will 
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,795 Disability Gamechanger
    The more pertinent question would be why you have an MP involved?
  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    My MP is involved because I should of been done under special rules and I wasn't 
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,795 Disability Gamechanger
    And the process for Special Rules is that an assessment is effectively done on paper provided a consultant has made the appropriate statement. So, it’s likely your MP has simply received a copy of what would have happened had the Special Rules process been followed from the off. 

    The reason you would not be told about that is because it’s possible to apply for Special Rules without the knowledge of the claimant who may not be fully aware of their prognosis. It would make a nonsense of the process if someone could apply on behalf of someone else without telling them and then DWP go tell them anyway causing all manner of ethical and emotional issues. So, understandable caution I’d have thought.
  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    It's just the paperbased was done 7 days after my telephone assessment which lasted over a hour. I have been fighting for my renewal now for 6 months and still counted something isn't right 
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,795 Disability Gamechanger
    Does it matter? Surely all that matters is whether one or both assessments fell in your favour and recommend an award. Until you know that what exactly would you or your MP be querying or wanting to change?
  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    Y are u being so hostile about this I came for advice. Even pip said there shouldn't b 2 assessments and wiv me being terminally ill with cancer and Parkinson's. The stress doesn't help with either illness 
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,619 Disability Gamechanger
    sarah1986 said:
    Y are u being so hostile about this I came for advice. Even pip said there shouldn't b 2 assessments and wiv me being terminally ill with cancer and Parkinson's. The stress doesn't help with either illness 
    Sorry but Mike was only trying to help, did you apply under special rules? and why was your MP involved? and as Mike rightly pointed out why does it really matter as long as you got the award, which I assume was for enhance care and mobility?
    I am a person with epilepsy not an epileptic, my illness doesn't define me.
  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    Yeah I did as it was a renewal and my consultant put a ds1500 form in. My mp involved cus I shouldn't still be waiting for a decision when special rules is meant to fast track it 
  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    Plus both of the assessments r completely different. 1 granting points and other no points 
  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Member Posts: 2,190 Pioneering
    @sarah1986 hi there, might be worth giving pip a call, hope you get it all sorted out soon.
  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    I did and he couldn't understand y there was 2 and said they normally go off telephone assessment, but doesn't stop u worrying about it. 
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,619 Disability Gamechanger
    Your best course of action might be to tele them tomorrow and ask for a decision maker to call you back.
    I am a person with epilepsy not an epileptic, my illness doesn't define me.
  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    Thank u I will do x
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,795 Disability Gamechanger
    sarah1986 said:
    Y are u being so hostile about this I came for advice. Even pip said there shouldn't b 2 assessments and wiv me being terminally ill with cancer and Parkinson's. The stress doesn't help with either illness 
    No hostility here. Just focusing on facts. The award is all that matters. The number of reports do not. Have already offered an explanation as to why. 

    One of the incredible features of the introduction of UC has been the loss of decision makers from PIP to UC and that’s especially true of special rules where the 10 day processing has largely been abandoned as staff moved over. The lack of publicity over this is nothing short of a scandal.
  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    It's just so frustrating how they can mess up and mess about so badly. It shouldn't ave to be this hard. It's wrong that people have to suffer through it all 
  • Adrian_Scope
    Adrian_Scope Posts: 8,168

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    edited March 22
    Good morning @sarah1986
    Sorry if I’m missed this in your replies but I was just wondering if you’ve had your decision yet or just the two (contradicting) assessment reports? 
    I think most of us would feel frustrated having to go through an assessment only to then find out they’ve done a paper-based one anyway. Was it the later paper-based one that offered no points or the telephone assessment? 
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  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    It was the later paper based that offered no points, the telephone assessment which I went through first, and crossed check was 31 points, I'm still waiting on a decision
  • Adrian_Scope
    Adrian_Scope Posts: 8,168

    Scope community team

    No wonder you're anxious with them both recommending different things @sarah1986. I noticed you mentioned you've been fighting for your renewal for 6 months, is that how long ago you put your DS1500 in? That's appalling and I'm so sorry you've been kept waiting so long. Have you put in an official complaint? 

    I may be wrong but it sounds like they've missed the fact this was supposed to follow the Special Rules process entirely.
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  • sarah1986
    sarah1986 Member Posts: 37 Listener
    My local mp has put a complaint in for me, as I can't cope with it much long, I've had to go back to my gp because things where getting that bad. Yes my ds1500 form was sent in 6 months ago with my renewal. I am starting to lose the will of fighting them. I just don't understand why I had a telephone assessment on the 15th of Feb go through all that for over a hour, then on 23rd of Feb do a paperbased. I was told they do assessments where they speak to you if things are missing, I am still now waiting for a decision

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