Disability discrimination during covid pandemic
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TG0601 said:@lisathomas50 I knew straight away there was confusion so just wanted to clear it up for everyone involved immediately
thank you for your kind words & support. @Username_removed thank you also for calling into question & challenging the post of innocent21. It’s a shame it lead to @shellbell20 having to take time out & it made her worried about the tribunal process & hearing. If you are still reading these @shellbell20 the Tribunal hearings are incredibly fair & although it’s understandably daunting, they are there for people like us, not the lawyers. All you have to do is tell the truth. Answer the opposing sides questions truthfully & you will not be intimidated by anyone. My run up to my previous tribunal was initially daunting but once I was there I felt so empowered as no one knew my case better than me nor can you trip up a person who is telling the truth. Their barrister gave up in the end & said “she’s beaten me, I have nothing more to add”. It’s all in the transcripts. Hold your head up high. Don’t doubt the way you was made to feel or treated. Even if I lose this tribunal I will sleep well knowing I told the truth & knowing my treatment was illegal & wrong. We do this not just for us, but for all people this is also happening to
I did get some free advice from an union yesterday who told me there was a word count of around 2000 words. I am now trying to figure out if I should just attach a file instead to avoid that word count or if there is a word count with an attachment. Then I am trying to figure out how I am meant to set it all out, whether to cross reference it with laws. I am not a solicitor though, nor a representative, just a layman trying to figure it all out.
So that is how far I have got, absolutely nowhere and the clock is ticking. I only have 30 days to make sure I fill the form in and submit, probably 25 days now after procrastinating.
It's so hard when I have no idea what I am doing and I have no representation, that is why I am stepping away. Right now I feel it's an overload and distracting me from doing what I need to do. Plus I am also getting ready for my trip to the USA next Monday and trying to organise what needs to be done for that, but my energy levels are non existent and everything seems such a chore.
I also wanted to step back because I don't want to hear scaremongering tales, which might make me back down from what really needs to be done.
I am receiving daily emails from work, just getting harassed every single day and they are now trying to get out of paying holiday pay and my final weeks salary, so that isn't helping matters. I feel like my head is about to explode to be honest.
It's one hot mess and I keep getting terrible dizzy spells and my concentration levels are that of a gnat. It's all too much for me.
Thanks for your concern though. I will be OK once I submit the ET1 form and have time out to relax and get better. -
chiarieds said:You're welcome @TG0601 - I've been following all the posts, & know Mike always gives excellent correct advice, whilst innocent21 was going off on a tangent inappropriately. It's great you have succeeded in the past, & I'm a great believer in the truth so sincerely hope you will succeed again.
It’s the judicial mediation hearing next week (the main hearing is in October). We have complied a schedule of losses so we’ll see if the other side want to settle, or not. I’m prepared for the Main hearing so I’ve got nothing to lose. I’ll definitely keep you all posted
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shellbell20 said:TG0601 said:@lisathomas50 I knew straight away there was confusion so just wanted to clear it up for everyone involved immediately
thank you for your kind words & support. @Username_removed thank you also for calling into question & challenging the post of innocent21. It’s a shame it lead to @shellbell20 having to take time out & it made her worried about the tribunal process & hearing. If you are still reading these @shellbell20 the Tribunal hearings are incredibly fair & although it’s understandably daunting, they are there for people like us, not the lawyers. All you have to do is tell the truth. Answer the opposing sides questions truthfully & you will not be intimidated by anyone. My run up to my previous tribunal was initially daunting but once I was there I felt so empowered as no one knew my case better than me nor can you trip up a person who is telling the truth. Their barrister gave up in the end & said “she’s beaten me, I have nothing more to add”. It’s all in the transcripts. Hold your head up high. Don’t doubt the way you was made to feel or treated. Even if I lose this tribunal I will sleep well knowing I told the truth & knowing my treatment was illegal & wrong. We do this not just for us, but for all people this is also happening to
I did get some free advice from an union yesterday who told me there was a word count of around 2000 words. I am now trying to figure out if I should just attach a file instead to avoid that word count or if there is a word count with an attachment. Then I am trying to figure out how I am meant to set it all out, whether to cross reference it with laws. I am not a solicitor though, nor a representative, just a layman trying to figure it all out.
So that is how far I have got, absolutely nowhere and the clock is ticking. I only have 30 days to make sure I fill the form in and submit, probably 25 days now after procrastinating.
It's so hard when I have no idea what I am doing and I have no representation, that is why I am stepping away. Right now I feel it's an overload and distracting me from doing what I need to do. Plus I am also getting ready for my trip to the USA next Monday and trying to organise what needs to be done for that, but my energy levels are non existent and everything seems such a chore.
I also wanted to step back because I don't want to hear scaremongering tales, which might make me back down from what really needs to be done.
I am receiving daily emails from work, just getting harassed every single day and they are now trying to get out of paying holiday pay and my final weeks salary, so that isn't helping matters. I feel like my head is about to explode to be honest.
It's one hot mess and I keep getting terrible dizzy spells and my concentration levels are that of a gnat. It's all too much for me.
Thanks for your concern though. I will be OK once I submit the ET1 form and have time out to relax and get better.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rJyCyatjHcwTake as much timeout as you need & we’ll all
be here when you need us. Take care & safe journey across the pond -
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bekindalways said:@shellbell20 @TG0601 I was going to get myself back to sleep after my doggie was poorly, but I do feel the need to say something to both of you.
Please stick with your cases and heed the advice of those who are well versed in these matters. I.e. Legal Reps/Unions etc. Advice in here can be absolutely second to none but when the discussion clearly goes way off topic, and then becomes personal, I looking in from the outside see only too well how much stress this is placing on both of you. You both don't deserve that and opinions, whilst considered important by some, do need to be fully monitored on this forum. I actually felt really sorry for you both. I have a great deal of experience in the legal system, and I know it is not my place to offer advice or outline scare stories without substantial evidence to support it.
My heart genuinely goes out to you both and I hope that you keep popping in to see if any constructive input has been posted. You sound like two really lovely people who are going through a hell of a time right now. Please do keep us updated and above all, be kind to yourselves. You've both done nothing wrong and I sincerely hope that you both get the results you deserve at the ET.
Be safe all and be kind to each other. (I am at least learning and working towards kerbing my enthusiasm and inputs on here, so apologies if someone's unhappy with what I've written) I simply couldn't sit back and say nothing. Please give these two people a break. For one to consider dropping the case due to fright stories without any substance, stats or ratios, is an unkind thing to put upon a lady who is struggling with this in real time. These two people should be priority and they're being swamped with negative opinions. It's a sad reflection on the forum and that saddens me.
All the very best of luck to you Shell and TG. ??? -
Username_removed said:Lots of stuff online about completing an ET1. Don't fall for the ones who want to charge you for essentially the same thing.
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bekindalways said:@shellbell20 @TG0601 I was going to get myself back to sleep after my doggie was poorly, but I do feel the need to say something to both of you.
Please stick with your cases and heed the advice of those who are well versed in these matters. I.e. Legal Reps/Unions etc. Advice in here can be absolutely second to none but when the discussion clearly goes way off topic, and then becomes personal, I looking in from the outside see only too well how much stress this is placing on both of you. You both don't deserve that and opinions, whilst considered important by some, do need to be fully monitored on this forum. I actually felt really sorry for you both. I have a great deal of experience in the legal system, and I know it is not my place to offer advice or outline scare stories without substantial evidence to support it.
My heart genuinely goes out to you both and I hope that you keep popping in to see if any constructive input has been posted. You sound like two really lovely people who are going through a hell of a time right now. Please do keep us updated and above all, be kind to yourselves. You've both done nothing wrong and I sincerely hope that you both get the results you deserve at the ET.
Be safe all and be kind to each other. (I am at least learning and working towards kerbing my enthusiasm and inputs on here, so apologies if someone's unhappy with what I've written) I simply couldn't sit back and say nothing. Please give these two people a break. For one to consider dropping the case due to fright stories without any substance, stats or ratios, is an unkind thing to put upon a lady who is struggling with this in real time. These two people should be priority and they're being swamped with negative opinions. It's a sad reflection on the forum and that saddens me.
All the very best of luck to you Shell and TG. ??? -
bekindalways said:@shellbell20 @TG0601 I was going to get myself back to sleep after my doggie was poorly, but I do feel the need to say something to both of you.
Please stick with your cases and heed the advice of those who are well versed in these matters. I.e. Legal Reps/Unions etc. Advice in here can be absolutely second to none but when the discussion clearly goes way off topic, and then becomes personal, I looking in from the outside see only too well how much stress this is placing on both of you. You both don't deserve that and opinions, whilst considered important by some, do need to be fully monitored on this forum. I actually felt really sorry for you both. I have a great deal of experience in the legal system, and I know it is not my place to offer advice or outline scare stories without substantial evidence to support it.
My heart genuinely goes out to you both and I hope that you keep popping in to see if any constructive input has been posted. You sound like two really lovely people who are going through a hell of a time right now. Please do keep us updated and above all, be kind to yourselves. You've both done nothing wrong and I sincerely hope that you both get the results you deserve at the ET.
Be safe all and be kind to each other. (I am at least learning and working towards kerbing my enthusiasm and inputs on here, so apologies if someone's unhappy with what I've written) I simply couldn't sit back and say nothing. Please give these two people a break. For one to consider dropping the case due to fright stories without any substance, stats or ratios, is an unkind thing to put upon a lady who is struggling with this in real time. These two people should be priority and they're being swamped with negative opinions. It's a sad reflection on the forum and that saddens me.
All the very best of luck to you Shell and TG. ??? -
shellbell20 said:Username_removed said:Lots of stuff online about completing an ET1. Don't fall for the ones who want to charge you for essentially the same thing.
- Type and details of your claim. – i.e. what your claim(s) is/are. You should both tick the relevant box, as well as inserting a written description of what your claim is about. You have two options with the detail of your claim, otherwise known as your particulars of claim. You can either write them into the online form (NB there is limited space) or you can write it on a Word document and upload it. You can also do both i.e. start on the ET1 and attach the balance as a Word document.
Top tip – if you upload separate particulars, remember to put the party names on this document. You won’t have the official case number so party names will be enough to identify your claim. You also need to save the document as an ‘RTX’ file to upload it. Remember to save a copy for your own records”
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@TG0601 you are correct in what you are saying I have my law degree BA with honours and I also represent people in employment tribunals in wales as an advocate with law
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lisathomas50 said:@TG0601 you are correct in what you are saying I have my law degree BA with honours and I also represent people in employment tribunals in wales as an advocate with law
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TG0601 said:shellbell20 said:Username_removed said:Lots of stuff online about completing an ET1. Don't fall for the ones who want to charge you for essentially the same thing.
- Type and details of your claim. – i.e. what your claim(s) is/are. You should both tick the relevant box, as well as inserting a written description of what your claim is about. You have two options with the detail of your claim, otherwise known as your particulars of claim. You can either write them into the online form (NB there is limited space) or you can write it on a Word document and upload it. You can also do both i.e. start on the ET1 and attach the balance as a Word document.
Top tip – if you upload separate particulars, remember to put the party names on this document. You won’t have the official case number so party names will be enough to identify your claim. You also need to save the document as an ‘RTX’ file to upload it. Remember to save a copy for your own records”
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Username_removed said:ET1s are too important to put in front of law students supervised or not. They require a real insight into the purpose of an ET1 and the consequences of getting that wrong. People who teach law degrees don't necessarily have any of that. People who teach on the LPC courses on the other hand are used to directly connecting the law to real world forms and processes as that's what the LPC is all about. However, AdviceLocal should have turned up a rep for you by now.
There is no word count and the recommendation is to always add additional sheets. No different to PIP really. If all you do is complete the form then you definitely won't have provided sufficient detail. -
Username_removed said:ET1s are too important to put in front of law students supervised or not. They require a real insight into the purpose of an ET1 and the consequences of getting that wrong. People who teach law degrees don't necessarily have any of that. People who teach on the LPC courses on the other hand are used to directly connecting the law to real world forms and processes as that's what the LPC is all about. However, AdviceLocal should have turned up a rep for you by now.
There is no word count and the recommendation is to always add additional sheets. No different to PIP really. If all you do is complete the form then you definitely won't have provided sufficient detail. -
lisathomas50 said:@TG0601 you are correct in what you are saying I have my law degree BA with honours and I also represent people in employment tribunals in wales as an advocate with law
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Username_removed said:I think there's a distinction to be made and an important point to be made.
1 - there's a difference between using law students under supervision and doing so within the context of an advice centre. No problem with the latter but...
2 - point of principle with me I'm afraid. Why does Hull have that centre? Simply because it closed one of the largest most well respected CitA in the country and looked for cheap alternatives on the basis that advice is no different to information and so students can do information and do it cheaper.
The price of your legal advice centre has in effect been a decimation of better funded and better quality advice from people with far more experience and specialist knowledge. -
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@bekindalways sorry for the late reply. I am in the USA with my husband. I wish I could say it was a positive experience but thus far it is not. My husband and I have looked after a feral cat for a year, by feeding her. We tried to adopt her, but she would not come into the house and when we finally got her in she made a quick exit for the door. My husband told me that she vanished about a month ago, he hadn't seen her in all that time. However, the day after landing she turned up she was emaciated, just a bag of bones, we tried to feed her, but she could barely eat, just lick juice. I tried to give her some antibiotics in the hopes it was an infection, but we couldn't save her. Today we took her to the vets and they ran tests, she had Feline Leukemia, Feline HIV, her white cells were attacking her body and there was a secondary tumour. She was only about 3 years old. We had to make the saddest decision to have her put down. The vet told us even if we treated her she would only last another couple of months. I can't stop crying as she was such a gentle cat even though she was feral, she didn't stand a chance and it is so unfair.
Any way I did the ET1 the other night when I was looking after her. I attached it as an upload and submitted it. I am sure it is not correct, but like @TG0601 mentioned these courts are for the layman. I am not sure if it will be accepted, as it has a bit on the form about why should they accept your case or something? I am hoping it will be though.
These companies are brutal, they have taken away any self respect I had left. I can't let them keep doing this to other people. They are still messing with my wages until I turned around and said ENOUGH!! I told them I was poorly and that their actions were making me worse and that I would prefer they did not contact me again and if there was a problem I would talk with my legal representative (I don't have one). I don't care what they thought about that, they can think what they like really and after losing Freya today it just makes me angrier that there are people out there that are mere bullies and think they are above the law. I guess what I mean is a little cat spread more love in her short life time than these miserable people do in their whole life time.
Thanks for reaching out though, your words are so kind they bought a tear to my eye. x -
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