Change of circumstance has triggered transfer from DLA to PIP

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  • janer1967
    janer1967 Online Community Member Posts: 21,922 Championing
    I would imagine it's like that because if it had been a lower award than your dla then you would owe them money 

    The way it is set is the only fair way 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    DLA and PIP are different. If you were owed money for the difference between both awards then it would mean you were claiming both benefits at the same time but this isn't possible.
    Skysummer said:


    They will pay £303.60 into my account on 2nd December, this money is money we owe you from 9 November to 1 December 2022.

    We will then pay every four weeks in arrears on a Friday. So when is my first regularly payment?

    My next DLA payment is on Tuesday 18th Oct and I assume my last, the following DLA payment should be 15th November?


    That will be your first PIP payment because your PIP award starts from 9th November. However, 3 weeks of PIP at Enhanced for both parts is £470.70 and not £303.60 so i don't know how they reach that figure. Are you sure your PIP award is Enhanced for both parts?
    It is then paid 4 weeks in arrears. Your first 4 weekly payment will be Friday 30th December.
    Your DLA will be paid up until 8th November.
    If you want to know your DLA payments you will need to ring DLA because it won't tell you those on the PIP decision letter.
  • Skysummer
    Skysummer Online Community Member Posts: 42 Contributor
    poppy123456 said:
    DLA and PIP are different. If you were owed money for the difference between both awards then it would mean you were claiming both benefits at the same time but this isn't possible.
    Skysummer said:


    They will pay £303.60 into my account on 2nd December, this money is money we owe you from 9 November to 1 December 2022.

    We will then pay every four weeks in arrears on a Friday. So when is my first regularly payment?

    My next DLA payment is on Tuesday 18th Oct and I assume my last, the following DLA payment should be 15th November?


    That will be your first PIP payment because your PIP award starts from 9th November. However, 3 weeks of PIP at Enhanced for both parts is £470.70 and not £303.60 so i don't know how they reach that figure. Are you sure your PIP award is Enhanced for both parts?
    It is then paid 4 weeks in arrears. Your first 4 weekly payment will be Friday 30th December.
    Your DLA will be paid up until 8th November.
    If you want to know your DLA payments you will need to ring DLA because it won't tell you those on the PIP decision letter.
    Yes enhanced on both. I am going to send a letter starting the figures above and also disputing the back pay I still think I am entitled too. Will let you know the outcome.
  • Skysummer
    Skysummer Online Community Member Posts: 42 Contributor
    Scrap that. Worked it out I use my mobility element for my car.
    The care element is £92.40 a week, £13.20 a day. 
    So 9 nov - 1 dec is 23 days. 
    23 x £13.20 = £303.60. The amount they say they owe me.

    But still think that I should get the uplift from when I first applied and not from 9 November, so will be challenging it.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    edited October 2022
    That makes sense because i didn't know you had a mobility car.
    Skysummer said:

    But still think that I should get the uplift from when I first applied and not from 9 November, so will be challenging it.
    As for challenging that, i'm afraid you will be wasting your time and theirs because it's in the legislation and can't be changed. It's been the rules since PIP was introduced in April 2013. No amount of challenging with MR and Tribunal will change that i'm afraid.

  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    janer1967 said:
    I would imagine it's like that because if it had been a lower award than your dla then you would owe them money. The way it is set is the only fair way 
    In my opinion that doesn't follow. When PIP do a review if a lower award results they usually only make the change from when the decision is made (the exception is if they think claimant is failed to report a change knowing the change would reduce their award).

    poppy123456 said:
    DLA and PIP are different. If you were owed money for the difference between both awards then it would mean you were claiming both benefits at the same time but this isn't possible. 
    Again, I think they could have written the rules so that the PIP overwrote the DLA had they wished to.
    Skysummer said:
    I am going to send a letter starting the figures above and also disputing the back pay I still think I am entitled too. Will let you know the outcome.

    ...
    But still think that I should get the uplift from when I first applied and not from 9 November, so will be challenging it.
    However there is nothing to dispute. The payments will be made in accordance with the procedure set out in the legislation. DWP have no discretion to do it differently.

  • Skysummer
    Skysummer Online Community Member Posts: 42 Contributor
    Thank you everyone.

    I called ESA today about SDP. They talked me through the form over the phone, and have to wait 2-3 weeks for the outcome.

    My 25 year old daughter lives with me and she also receives both elements of PIP.

    We live in a HA property which I am named as the sole tenant. They asked me if she pays rent, why, what difference does this make please?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Skysummer said:
    Thank you everyone.

    I called ESA today about SDP. They talked me through the form over the phone, and have to wait 2-3 weeks for the outcome.

    My 25 year old daughter lives with me and she also receives both elements of PIP.

    We live in a HA property which I am named as the sole tenant. They asked me if she pays rent, why, what difference does this make please?

    It doesn't matter whether she pays any rent or not because she also claims daily living PIP. If there's no other adults living with you then you will be entitled to SDP once your PIP is in payment, providing it's not New style ESA you're claiming.
  • Skysummer
    Skysummer Online Community Member Posts: 42 Contributor
    Thank you, just started over thinking things 

    poppy123456 said:
    Skysummer said:
    Thank you everyone.

    I called ESA today about SDP. They talked me through the form over the phone, and have to wait 2-3 weeks for the outcome.

    My 25 year old daughter lives with me and she also receives both elements of PIP.

    We live in a HA property which I am named as the sole tenant. They asked me if she pays rent, why, what difference does this make please?

    It doesn't matter whether she pays any rent or not because she also claims daily living PIP. If there's no other adults living with you then you will be entitled to SDP once your PIP is in payment, providing it's not New style ESA you're claiming.

  • L_Volunteer
    L_Volunteer Community Volunteer Adviser, Scope Member Posts: 7,922 Championing
    How are you finding things at the moment @Skysummer? I hope you are well but we are all here for you.

    Please don't hesitate to let us know if we can do anything to help. We are all here for you and listening to you  :)

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