General election - party’s manifestos published this week starting 10th june

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  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    okay, I will happily hold my hand up when wrong (as I am here and full apologies)

    When I was researching I guess I was only looking at coalitions that had been formed from results of a general election…………I didn’t really consider ‘coalition’ arrangements that may of been formed mid parliamentary term!

  • michael57
    michael57 Community Member Posts: 2,749 Championing

    just a question are these 8500 mental health workers waiting in the wings for labour to get in power or is it a case of training them up when they get in power if its the latter we could be talking 4 years 3years for a degree and 1 year special training unless he missed out support between health and workers then it would be less politicians have a nice way of wording things to confuse

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    yes many parties seem to forgot that they are already saving a packet off the disabled (not to mention billions by unpaid carers picking up after government failures)

    I think I remember reading of a member on the scope forum who was claiming out of work benefits because of disability and a dwp staff apologised that they had to as it was the most economical, cheapest option to deal with the disabled (not sure if I 100% remembered that correctly)

    Politicians have spent the last 18 months stepping up their attacks on the disabled and smearing our character (spreading mistruths)

    This has resulted in public opinion on disabled significantly lowing and a large increase in public and verbal harassment (and less safe to be disabled in the uk as a result)

    Politicians have yet to figure all these smears and targeted attacks are rubbish advertisements for encouraging employers in hiring a disabled person (and messing with pip will just make work less affordable for even those disabled currently holding down a job)

    Whoever wins the election needs to figure out that the disabled themselves are not the biggest barrier to work, they the politians are - and it will take years to repair the rep (flip stereotypes) of the disabled as a minority social group

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,062 Championing

    I just hope we're not going to be forced into doing things we can't cope with. ☹️

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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,583 Championing
    edited June 2024

    They have been using those phrases since 2015 - in manifestos and into law in 2016.

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing
  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    just snp’s manifesto to do on wed/thurs and that’s all the manifesto’s for the major uk mainland parties done

    (Apologies to those in northern island but as NI has a totally different choice of parties than the rest of the uk and………well basically I can’t face doing any more highlight and reading of manifesto’s - that labour one near on killed me, grateful that the brexit parties one was so short if nothing else)

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    the billion dollar question this election from the disabled community point of view, I think many of us would agree:


    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/would-labour-be-better-than-the-conservatives-for-disabled-claimants

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    every single time I think ‘it can’t get any worse’ on the topic of politics and disability, 9 times out of 10 a new low is found

    So it’s a bit of a loaded question - it depends on personal perspective really of ‘what is worse’ (for me labour continuing down the Tory path would be worse as you expect tories to be douches over disability but labour to have a little compassion - with disability I’ve never felt I’ve been let down by them because deep down I’ve never expected better from them…….labour cloning them would feel like a betrayal of sorts to me at least)

    Considering covid triggered many experiencing disabilities such as anxiety and depression and disability welfare claims have sharply risen as a result - there is a consensus between the parties that the bill needs to be brought down and the ‘get disabled into work’ strategy is a 2 birds, 1 stone solution (that no party has looked at the potential issues & pitfalls nor even considered if there’s a better cost saving alternative)

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    And finally (sorry for the delay in posting - home life a bit chaotic right now) for all those based in Scotland

    https://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/www.snp.org/uploads/2024/06/2024-06-17-SNP-UK-Election-Manifesto-2024.pdf

    SNP manifesto highlights (whole pages posted for context):

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  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Community Member Posts: 183 Contributor

    Hi. Does anyone have any idea if labour reform the WCA will it effect existing claims or only new ones?

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,456 Championing

    No idea and I wouldn't want to speculate anything because that just causes people to worry even more.

  • michael57
    michael57 Community Member Posts: 2,749 Championing

    whilst i agree with poppies answer i have to commend apple85 for his posting all the manifestos and taking the time to do so fair play to you as for the end result well as forest Gump said life is like a box of chocolates you never know what you get till you bite it

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing
    edited June 2024

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-labour-nick-mason-david-lynch-entrepreneurs-b1166190.html#r3z-addoor


    Original story from the telegraph:

    Handouts lack the dignity of wages, says Starmer

    Labour leader insists that redistribution alone isn’t enough to tackle Britain’s ‘malaise’


    State handouts offer people less “dignity” than earning a living through work, Sir Keir Starmer has said.The Labour leader said that “working people” wanted “success more than state support” as he declared that if he were to be elected prime minister, he would put wealth creation “front and centre”.Sir Keir also warned that “redistribution” alone was not enough to “level-up” Britain, saying that “redistribution seems to have also become our ‘one-word’ plan for vast swathes of Britain”.Britain’s benefits bill has ballooned amid a sharp increase in worklessness since the pandemic, with analysis published last week revealing that surging sickness benefit claims will drive an increase in Britain’s welfare bill of more than £20 billion a year by 2030.Sir Keir’s comments mark a toughening of his rhetoric about those who rely on the state welfare system. They will be seen as an overt pitch to socially conservative voters, but risk sparking a backlash within his own party.Writing for The Telegraph, he said: “Serving the interests of working people means understanding they want success more than state support.“Yes, this is about aspiration. I know our country is driven by it. Entrepreneurs. Parents working extra hours to give their children security. Young people striving for their first home.“But it is also about dignity. The Labour mission was built on the pride of working people earning a decent living for themselves.“We will never turn our backs on people who are struggling. But handouts from the state do not nurture the same sense of self-reliant dignity as a fair wage.”

    Sir Keir outlined his harder stance on welfare ahead of the final full week of the election campaign, in which he will face two head-to-head broadcast debates against Rishi Sunak. The Labour leader will visit battleground seats in the Midlands, while Mr Sunak will travel to Scotland to launch the Scottish Tory manifesto.Mr Sunak has made a crackdown on the welfare bill a core part of his manifesto offering, promising an overhaul of sick notes to get more people back into work and tougher sanctions for those who are able to seek work but choose not to.By contrast, the Labour manifesto contains little in the way of concrete actions on benefits, though it does commit to a review of Universal Credit “so that it makes work pay and tackles poverty”.

    It also promises to tackle the backlog of access to work claims and to reform or replace the work capability assessment that determines if people are fit to work, as well as come up with a “proper plan” to support disabled people into employment.Sir Keir’s remarks about benefits claimants risk opening up divisions within Labour. Several senior Left-wing figures are already furious about Sir Keir’s decision to retain the two-child benefit cap.The policy, introduced by George Osborne when he was chancellor, means low-income parents are not eligible for key benefits, including universal credit, for their third and any subsequent children born after April 2017.Sir Keir said he was “proud” that Labour’s manifesto was a “plan for wealth creation”, adding: “Indeed, as far as I’m concerned, making people better off is the whole point of politics.”He said that sustained economic growth was the “only remedy” for the “malaise” in Britain, adding: “I accept it’s unusual for a Labour leader to put wealth creation front and centre. I also understand why there is an emphasis on tax and spend this election. After 14 years of next to no growth, to doggedly pursue it is almost a new concept.”He also insisted that he would keep taxes down, saying “make no mistake…We will not raise income tax, national insurance or VAT”.Sir Keir said he did not want to raise taxes because “it isn’t fair for working people to lose more of their money in a cost of living crisis” or for the “failures of government to cost your pocket”.

  • Meg24
    Meg24 Community Member Posts: 390 Trailblazing

    This was in the Torygraph so I would take this with a hefty tonne of salt. He wants those floating voters and the Torygraph likes to keep it's readers frothing at the mouth. I would point out the he says NOTHING about cuts benefits, only that he will reform UC to make work pay and tackle poverty. That doesn't say cuts to me and is very very different from the manifestos of Conservative and Reform (I only mention their joke pf a manifesto because somehow people still seem to think they're serious politicians)