Pip changing to vouchers ??
Hi all , I'm laying here wide awake sick with worry over the fact that my pip may soon dissappear and be replaced with vouchers , I can't even fathom how this could work and if it did happen how would I be able do pay my bills ? Being on high rate payments of pip for daily living & mobility I use my money for a wide range of things , food , bills & whatever I need to be able to love a decent life in-between, I am honestly like every one else who claims pip absolutely terrified of this possible change , does anyone know how long we will have to wait for the outcome of the government's decision at all ?
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I'm subscribed to a YouTube channel called Dynamic Duo UK and in his recent live, the guy talked about how vouchers would be implemented, if it came to fruition, which it won't.
Skip to 45:225
https://www.youtube.com/live/wVeh32DPOYE?si=itCAFwGKZJSqUGIj
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Thank you @Catherine
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Hi @BOOKIE68, sorry you're feeling so stressed about the proposed changes.
I can totally understand how worrying it can be to read about these proposals and to think about how they would affect your life.
The consultation on benefits reforms has only just closed and it's difficult to know how long it'll be before the new government make their plans known unfortunately. However, while I can't confirm anything for certain, there's nothing to suggest that this will happen any time soon. This would be a really complex process and I don't think the government would be able to put anything like this into place quickly.
As Catherine says, although it's pretty worrying stuff, it's a case of taking it one day at a time and chatting it through if you need to.
Scope and other disability charities will be there campaigning against anything that would be damaging to disabled people, and of course we'll be here supporting people through whatever happens too. Hopefully we'll know more soon!
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Thank you so much for your replies I really appreciate them , like you say its about taking just one day at a time with alot of deep breaths !! Thank you 😊
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These are just rumours - I don't honestly believe that any scheme to replace PIP with vouchers would or could ever even get off the ground - the fact that there are 3.4 million PIP claimants at present, and a percentage of those (including myself) are on 10 year fixed payments - the government cannot change this
So stop worrying about it - IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN !
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@Ironside1990 I think his content is ok too, no bs as far as I can see and I like the pair for their other content too. Nothing wrong getting content from different sources, we are all capable of making our own judgements and anyway they couple make me laugh at times and that cant be a bad thing can it. They appear just normal down to earth folk in my very humble opinion 😊
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Though some things have been worrying with the Tories policies, I am hoping that Labour as suggested by the ladies within Labour to make the UNCRPD official in UK law, so that it stops any future government going against it, plus like most, this voucher issue won't get of the ground due to the fact it would take everything away from every disabled person which is a violation of the law, as no one has a right to make disabled people homeless nor destitute, hence why the UNCRPD was created. As I see it, Articles 14, 19 and 28 of the UNCRPD are worthy of note due to the aspects they portray in life. This is why the vouchers cannot be created as it is a violation of Human Rights and Disability Rights
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Here is the link to the UNCRPD Articles
https://social.desa.un.org/issues/disability/crpd/convention-on-the-rights-of-persons-with-disabilities-articles
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That's a huge resource - any idea where we should be looking ?
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Also - from what I understand - it would take a new law to change PIP - So would take years to implement (so many stages - lords etc) - the government can't just wake up in the morning and decide to change the payment system of PIP by lunchtime !
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If 16 thousand people gave negative feedback on the green paper, then the government will have to respect that the public don't want vouchers to be a thing.
We are supposed to be a democracy after all.
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I too have been worrying about these PIP changes which might happen, I honestly thought labour was going to scrap the idea!! How would it work giving us vouchers, I have to use some of my PIP money to top my rent up, which was caused by the last governments mishandling of the economy? It's not my fault my rent, gas, electric, food and other bills have gone through the roof, so to offer us ridiculous vouchers is an absolute insult and would be just another humiliation and a form of punishment. They should reform PIP to make it more fairer, less traumatic and give people enough to live on, especially in the midst of a cost of living crisis, not be making threats to take away peoples benefits who through no fault of their own are too poorly to work because of mental health issues or other disabilities. I'm sick of the constant worry surrounding this issue, and then to know we'll not get answer for many more months is disgusting leaving already poorly people to suffer even more with stress, worry, and anxiety.
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I have hardly slept since hearing about the whole p I p nonsense I’m not supposed to get stressed but I don’t see as you cannot with everything being up in the air and no answers,would all these politicians like it if someone said to them we might be taking most of your wages off you, but if you need something you might get a voucher I doubt it makes me so angry!
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Everyone might like to email their MPs and ask them for support in our case - because it is affecting too many of their constituents already - before any decision is made…
I believe that the best support will come from Libdem but any help is welcome
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Also, if you are lucky enough to have one (I do) a Green.
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It would still stand Catherine, as the UNCRPD protects all disabled worldwide, as Article 10 would then be added should the ECHR end as they would be taking away your rights which would cause another article to activate in the UNCRPD like Article 16.
This is the reason why many say they cannot do that at all as it would put you in a position of destitution (violation of the housing rules Article 19), as you can see, no matter what others say, because of the UNCRPD.
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You are safe Catherine
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Wibbles, if you copy the link to the UNCRPD into your search browser it will show you the 50 Articles of that, as quoted Articles 10, 14, 16, 19 and 28 are the ones which are applicable if the ECHR is ended, and these are the ones which Rishi Sunak himself violated, and why the vouchers never got of the ground
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Here is the link for those who missed it earlier:-
Bookmark it once you have it.
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I don't think this government are particularly interested in leaving the ECHR, anyway. Less sure if they want to enshrine the other in law, not seen them say that they will, and also not seen them mention resurrecting the Mental Health act reforms the Tories promised in the last parliament but ditched when they became fixed on Rwanda stuff instead.
I also don't think vouchers are ever going to happen. I was actually thinking the other day about the legal implications of removing PIP or changing it drastically for each individual claimant. I remember having a lifetime award for DLA and yet having this removed and having to go through the whole process to claim PIP because the government changed the rules, not because my condition changed - but even that experience makes me think that any changes that happen will be gradual. The reason? It costs money to make changes just as much as it costs to pay the welfare bill.
There may well be a push to reform assessments so that more paper assessments happen and more cases are decided properly without needing to go to tribunal - because that saves money (and is also good for disabled people, if they are awarded straight away instead of the tribunal trauma). But a voucher system requires a LOT of money to implement and a LOT of money to run and oversee. Both that and the idea of receipts means paying staff to process them. DWP is already on its knees with too much to do and massive backlogs.
…Can't see them signing off on that. I think that's why they're focused on disabled people into work as their strategy to reduce costs. Which has its own problems, but let's not go there right now.5
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