PIP form - can you print off typed answers?

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing

    @W348 I've flagged that comment with the screenshot of the pictures just incase a member of the team misses your comment here. If you want a comment of yours deleted or edited in the future, you can just click "flag" at the bottom of the box then put a message in there asking them.

  • Adrian_Scope
    Adrian_Scope Posts: 11,750 Online Community Programme Lead

    Good morning @W348, just to confirm I've deleted these for you. I'm glad poppy was able to help with you questions.

    Thank you for the flag @poppy123456

  • W348
    W348 Online Community Member Posts: 134 Contributor

    I've decided that I do want to try and obtain my PIP report. I will write a letter requesting this report. I presume I just post this to the same address that my PIP claim form went to.

    Is there any deadlines I should be aware of?

    I know I had my decision letter photos posted before and since had them removed. If you saw this, under the awarded points there was notes or a statement that is titles as 'My decision'.

    I don't want to do something silly like request a report if that is what I already have?

    I think I've learnt from reading many posts around here that there is an assessor's report and a decision maker's report (or notes I guess is more accurate). I wouldn't really know that there is two if I didn't frequent this forum. So I guess the award letter must be the notes from the decision maker, and this person has read the assessor's report. Which is the thing that I want.

    Before I post anything off, I just wanted to ask - as I have had a paper-based assessment… will there actually be an assessor's report? It just occurred to me that maybe the decision maker came to their conclusions based off my form and the GP report. In which case I'd be requesting something that does not exist.

    I realise I am no doubt overthinking things, but thought it best to have an idea if there is actually a report for me to request.

  • Needhelpandadvice
    Needhelpandadvice Posts: 80 Empowering

    You can request the assessment report which is worth doing. My last PIP the person wrote things that were not true, so I asked for a Mandatory Reconsideration and won, as it was taped I told them to listen to the tape and you will find that I did not say what was on the report.

    If you have had a paper assessment and if your claim has remained the same, why would you want this for? It is really only if your award goes down or stopped that you should get it.

    However, you can still request it and they will send it, if you really want to see it.

    Hope this helps

  • W348
    W348 Online Community Member Posts: 134 Contributor

    In my case this was a new claim, I have nothing to dispute with the award so don't technically need the report.

    I thought it might be beneficial to obtain this though for two reasons.

    1 - I would have something to refer back to if in fhe future my claim is reviewed.

    2 - Perhaps somewhat daft reason. With my claim form I included an additional page where I had several questions for the assessor. I included my email address but I did not get a response. I thought it's possible they may have noted about or answered my questions in their report.So requesting the report is a potential means to also getting my answers.

  • W348
    W348 Online Community Member Posts: 134 Contributor

    I'm going to write a letter and post it in the coming days. I'm just not sure how to word it, I went quite long but scrapped it as realised it's probably unnecessary for me to explain why I want this. Thinking short and sweet is probably best.

    'Please can you send me my PIP report'

    I don't think there's anything else worth adding.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing

    What you’ve already had is the decision letter, which is likely to be similar to the assessment report but less detail. They usually go with the report.

    If you had a paper based assessment it’s the PA3 if you didn’t it will a PA4. Not sure on the address for that though sorry.

    I wouldn’t expect the assessor to answer any questions you asked to be honest.

  • W348
    W348 Online Community Member Posts: 134 Contributor

    Sorry, I am kind of yo-yo-ing over whether to write in and request this report.

    I was trying to find the words to also add in about a possible extension as decision letter says they awarded me til 2027, but yet on another page it says that they will contact me to look at things again after two years. I was rather worried about this in particular.

    With regards to PIP report I am again thinking it might be better for my mental health if I just leave it as is, as I got the decision I was hoping for. The form was difficult and somewhat upsetting to write out and explain things, perhaps it's best I don't get the report as seeing someone else's opinion on my difficulties is probably going to be difficult for me to read.

    It's just at the back of my mind I have a feeling it may be beneficial to have this now, for an assist for any future review scenario.

    I also had my IS10 form posted off just yesterday, I'll update my other thread about that once I hear back.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing

    Yes the decision letter will always tell you they will contact you after X date, which is usually anytime from 1 year before the award is due to end, as indicated in the decision letter. At the moment reviews start from around 8 months before your award is due to end.

    As your award is due to end in 2027 then yes I would expect them to contact you in about 2 years, possibly a little longer depending on exactly what date your award is due to end.

    You can challenge the length of the award only by first requesting the MR. You need to clearly state that you're happy with the award you have and would just like to challenge the length of the award. Most MR decisions remain the same so you may have to take it to Tribunal.

    As for the report, it's entirely your decision what you do.

  • W348
    W348 Online Community Member Posts: 134 Contributor

    Thanks poppy, I'm a bit confused, I mean I do understand what you are saying - but I don't know what I should do.

    Do you think I should try and extend the award? I think you have a reasonably good idea of my challenges and concerns from what I have shared. Do you think the award length is on the short side, given they think my difficulties are bad enough to not expect me to participate in an assessment?

    Maybe that is something I can try and put a few words together in a letter. Somehow try to convey my worries about the award length given I have been able to side-step the nightmare of struggling through an assessment.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing

    I don't think a paper based assessment is any indication of anything other than they had enough of information to write the report without the need for an assessment.

    I really don't know what you should do because that decision has to come from you.

    If you do challenge the award length you need to state why you think your award should be longer and why you think your conditions are unlikely to change in the longer term. I don't think you should focus on the assessment process itself but that's entirely up to you.

  • W348
    W348 Online Community Member Posts: 134 Contributor

    Thanks poppy, I have typed out a letter and will tidy it up over the weekend and intend to get this posted Monday.

    Perhaps they won't extend the award date, but I feel I need to at least ask if they can consider this.

    Do you think I can address two issues with the one letter?

    .

    At the top of my letter I have asked if they can send me my PIP assessment report. I don't know if they will like that, or if necessary to do this seperately.

    Under this short sentence I then have written

    MANDATORY RECONSIDERATION

    NAME
    REQUEST - PLEASE RECONSIDER AWARD LENGTH ONLY

    I clarify here that I am not disputing decision but only the award length.

    I then explain why I have these concerns.

    Does this seem OK to you? I wouldn't have thought to mention mandatory reconsideration just to query the award length. I have heard of that before but I always thought that was only if you disagreed or thought an award was incorrect.

    I'm obviously just worried about the bit where they say they will contact me in two years. Time seems to fly by, the last 6 years feels like it's been a speedtrain and gone by in 1 year. So it's going to feel fast having to go through all this form filling and worrying about assessments again.

  • Needhelpandadvice
    Needhelpandadvice Posts: 80 Empowering

    @W348 It is pretty standard for them to award for two years, however, as Poppy has said they contact you about eight months before, so you are getting 14 odd months, but then they have to go through the paperwork which can take months.

    I have a terminal lung condition that is a progressive illness and I only got two years, so unless you have something seriously wrong with you, I would just take the two years and run with it.

    If for example you only have anxiety and depression as an example, they are not going to extend the award date, simply because you might feel better in two years.

    It is 2024 now, and if your review ends in 2027 that is three years, which is longer than I had.

    As I say, unless you have something seriously wrong with you, you are just wasting your time and the DWP's time, especially if you are going to take it to a tribunal which is a waste of their time and tax payers money.

    Sorry for sounding harsh, but I prefer to tell the truth as I see it, rather than sugar coating things for people.

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 9,780 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    I have to respectfully disagree with @Needhelpandadvice here, they do seem to be awarding mostly two years currently, but I have a feeling that's down to the previous governments plans.

    But there's no problem with asking for a MR for the length of award, I've done that myself and had the award length extended in the past. But each case will be different.

  • W348
    W348 Online Community Member Posts: 134 Contributor

    Thank you for the insights, I am happy to take onboard everyone's perspective.

    Yes, my daily living issues mostly are related to anxiety which causes challenges in other areas for me. I'm not sure they will extend it, and if they don't - I have no intention of going to tribunal just over the award length. I'm not confident I would have even been able to attend the initial assessment, so a tribunal isn't in consideration.

    I am overall satisfied with how my claim was handled and the overall speed of their decision. My gut feeling is as @Albus_Scope mentioned, that two years is the norm. Perhaps this is just automatic without the assessor or decision maker giving it too much thought. And this is what I would like them to reconsider. If they decide they got it right the first time, then I will have to accept it.

    I just want them to be aware of my past difficulties at ESA assessments and that they have not called me in for review in 6 years due to my difficulties. I will remind them that I have been on ESA for 20 years and never claimed PIP despite CAB and ESA assessors suggesting me to do so many years ago, this was my decision because I couldn't cope with the prospect of juggling two different assessments being called up for review.

    I just would like some reassurance regarding the post I made above about titling the letter as MANDATORY RECONSIDERATION. I don't want to mess up and have them reconsider my whole claim, as I do agree with their decision and award, and am relieved they got it correct right out of the gate. It's just the award length only that is of concern.

  • Needhelpandadvice
    Needhelpandadvice Posts: 80 Empowering
    edited August 2024

    @W348 Up to you, but why poke the bear more? Just take the win and move on, anxiety I am sorry to say is not a good enough reason to have it extended.

    If you have anxiety, why would you want to have anything more to do with them? I have anxiety but I keep my head down and hope that a brown or white letter does not land on my door step from the DWP.

    I think that you are over thinking things, and you should just be happy with the two years, I was and I got PIP the first time.

    I had my review form back in April which caused me anxiety, and I am still waiting for them to do something, however I am in no rush to deal with them again, I am still getting my money, so until I go for another medical, every day that I do not hear from them is a good thing.

    No news is good news when it comes to the DWP.

    [comment removed by moderator - disrespectful]

    Two years is standard, as I said I have a terminal progressive illness and I got two years. I also suffer with anxiety and depression because my body does not work like it used to, but if you are happy that you got awarded PIP and you are happy with the process, why why why?

  • Community_Scope
    Community_Scope Posts: 1,832 Empowering

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  • W348
    W348 Online Community Member Posts: 134 Contributor

    I appreciate you sharing your opinion and your own difficulties, clearly everyone's circumstances can differ.

    My anxiety mainly impacts communication, getting my words out in-person or on the phone is like dropping a completed jigsaw puzzle. I'm not merely talking about being stressed at assessments, I am referring to all aspects of communication. If I manage to string a sentence together in a shop to ask for a lottery ticket. Then I consider that one of my good days. I've never had a free-flowing conversation outside of my close family.

    I do not view the DWP as a bear or something to fear. My worry comes with their processes as these typically require verbal communication face-to-face or over the phone. But I would be more than happy to answer any of their follow-up assessment questions if they were able to email me or write to me with these, and I indicated as much in my form. I even explained I would prefer this over having to resort to having close family speak on my behalf as I feel I can better explain my situation in my own words. And frankly my family do not know all the difficulties, I have only shared these with my GP and Samaritans. This is probably the reason they requested a report from my GP but I made it clear I was very willing to communicate with them by email.

    I feel I am pretty practical in my understanding, I figure I either meet the criteria or I do not. I like to feel I understand a potential conversation flow before considering initiating communication, this is why I try to ask questions - on places like this forum - about areas I am unsure of. I asked my GP's opinion before I initiated my claim to ensure I am not wasting anyone's time.

    I also have very little anxiety over letters, waiting for said letters can be stressful, but opening and reading them - I do not have difficulty with. I suppose t he only aspect that cause me distress with letters if s if I anticipate they might be related to having to state d an appointment. Generally with letters or emails I find I am relatively calm because I can take my time to process the information, put my response together and repeatedly check it before hitting send. That's not possible during verbal communication where a response is expected to be immediate.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    edited August 2024

    I'm sorry but I'm also going to completely disagree with @Needhelpandadvice

    @W348 PIP isn't awarded based on any diagnosis, as I'm sure you already know this. You have every right to challenge the length of the award if you want to do that and no one can tell you otherwise. It's entirely up to you. I know for a fact that it's possible to do this because I've seen members here do this and have their award length increased. I've also seen it happen to people outside of this forum so yes It can be done.

    You may not get the length changed at MR stage but definitely more chance at Tribunal stage., providing you either appear in person or have a telephone/video hearing. Paper based hearings have a very low success rate so I wouldn't advise you to request this.

    The start/title of the letter is fine but for everything else please make sure you keep it relevant to how your conditions affect you.

    Please do let me know how you get on with this as I would love to have an update on the MR and Tribunal stage, if you get that far. If you also need further advice I'll be happy to help you, as always.

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 16,819 Championing

    I also disagree with @Needhelpandadvice - personal experience is just that, your own 'personal' experience, so it's not objective.

    'If for example you only have anxiety and depression as an example, they are not going to extend the award date, simply because you might feel better in two years.' Hmm, really; everyone's functional ability is different, so how do you 'know,' & where do you get your 'facts' from? Oh, I forgot, you use AI, as you mentioned at least twice when you joined the forum yesterday.

    I think you say it all yourself, ' …..I prefer to tell the truth as I see it, rather than sugar coating things for people.' Yes, not in the least objective, & yet you manage to say this as if you have some modicum of knowledge….

    @W348 - I wish you all the best with your MR, & yes, as poppy says, we know of members that have successfully appealed to only have the length of their award increased at Tribunal, so if you wish to try this, then, as @Nashota also says, then go for it!