Labour doubles down on slashing billions from DWP's disability benefits bill

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  • FeistyPigeon
    FeistyPigeon Posts: 347 Empowering

    Not sure, maybe best to clog them up with SARS once they come out with the green paper? But the complaints about waiting and not knowing should go out now…

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Posts: 64,375 Championing

    Those rules changed in April 2017 so that's nothing new.

  • apple85
    apple85 Posts: 853 Championing

    I know we don’t agree on many things @WhatThe but think both of us feels like something is off just perhaps not how it’s off

    I think you may be left wing in your political thinking whereas I’m more central (though I do have both significant left and right wing thought ‘sprinkles’ in certain topics - for better or worse I’m driven by a very blunt black/white idea of ‘fairness’ which gets me in trouble with both left and right wing ppl)

    It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at no 10 & 11 right now!

    Posting the below link for you whatthe as you said you enjoyed the times article

    https://www.owenjones.news/p/keir-starmer-own-aides-say-he-isnt


    Political journalists at the times newspapers are right wing/far right whereas Owen jones is very left wing yet their theories on this are in the same ‘book series’ (not sure I can go as far as saying they are on the same page)


    just because you are academically clever doesn’t mean you are clever in all areas of life (for example I’ve meet a lot of ppl with the higher functioning levels of autism who’s iq is through the roof but have trouble navigating social aspects (I think that’s very common to differing degrees) - working in politics requires the skills to get your message across to thousands, to word things well (spin) and the ability to manipulate is a form of social skill…………..it is possible to flunk academically but thrive as an mp - I imagine being a human rights barrister is very much about facts and the black/white and in some way the skills required for being a barrister and a politician, though they look in similar areas of study are actually more like dawn and dusk from each other if you get my analogy)

    There’s still something about the ‘starmer is a puppet’ that still doesn’t full sense to me & I’m not sure of all the power player/puppet operators &masters as of yet. I do think that right now the Labour right has a firm grasp of the party - but I do wonder if something like major welfare cuts may be what triggers the Labour left to start trying to wrangle back some power in a major way - if starmer continues losing support the career politicians of the party will smell blood and we could have a full on internal civil war within the Labour Party (left vs right wing and prehaps also vs centralist)

  • apple85
    apple85 Posts: 853 Championing

    I say again - I think you would need to identify 100-200 Labour MPs to target with your efforts if you & others are really serious about this type of action

    Some Labour MPs are just too right wing to turn

    And ministers would be a huge win to get on side however as they are on the gov payroll they have to vote with the gov or lose their job and potentially the whip - identifying any of payroll who you think could be encouraged to rebel would be hugely difficult due to mp sense of self preservation

    (not impossible but you’d need to research profiles and make a very solid plan of action)

    I don’t know how serious the few members mentioning ‘taking a stand’ of sorts are but if it turns into a wider goal in the scope forum (if scope moderators are instructed to stop activism plans being discussed in detail on this forum - you may need to more locations online if that’s the case) then feel free to pm me and I’ll be happy to loan my research skills (I love a spreadsheet) but I don’t think talk has reached that serious a level yet (some of you may be waiting till the green paper is released before launching anything)

  • FeistyPigeon
    FeistyPigeon Posts: 347 Empowering

    I think Starmer as a puppet strikes a lot of chords Apple, the Labour right are very firmly in charge of the party, and I can well imagine Blair and his acolytes have a good hand in the proceedings too - one example being the replacement of their very popular ambassador for America with Mandelson, although he might find he's tied up there rather more than envisaged.

    Incidentally right now reading Owen Jone's book "The Establishment" - it's an eye opener.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Posts: 6,246 Championing

    Hi apple, I couldn't find our last chat but will come back to this.. Thanks again for the reads.

  • worried33
    worried33 Posts: 1,102 Championing
    edited February 2025

    The losses quoted I think are related to people losing LCWRA entitlement, as the plans are likely to be to move people from LCWRA to LCW via WCA changes. I wont say any other comment due to the recent post by Scope.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Posts: 1,583 Championing
    edited February 2025

    I wouldn't be able to survive if I lost £400 a month. I'd also loose the car and become completely housebound because of that.

    Wouldn't be able to go to the job center then to visit the work coach. And then guess what? Because of that I'd get sanctioned, begin to starve, become even more suicidal…

  • Amberpearl
    Amberpearl Posts: 4,175 Championing

    I've read awful things that the new government dwp want to stop pip for those with mental health issues

    I'm. Struggling now, if they cur my money I. May as well be in the streets

  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Posts: 405 Pioneering

    All we have now are rumours and speculation. We'll get a clearer picture next month.

    What the government say and what actually happens are two different things. There will be a long process to changing benefits and the bills to change them will be watered down if it's too controversial and cruel.

    We have MPs on our side. Just yesterday, Richard Burgon called out the government for scapegoating disability benefit claimants.

  • apple85
    apple85 Posts: 853 Championing

    you are very kind Catherine but what you are suggesting would require someone on this forum whom can reach far and command respect.

    I’ve voiced some controversial views in the past and majority of scope member either regularly disagree with my posts or don’t take them seriously.

    Also I’ve never liked being in the spotlight and have always been a backstager

    I can think of 2, prehaps 3 scope members (excluding mods) that if they suggested doing something I’d be pm’ing to offer to help in any way I can

    I’ve said it before - the disabled community is absolutely rubbish in utilising its large numbers and work together (like the black lives matters and lbgtq2+ social groups - much more organised and in unison than us)

    The disabled community is so fractured that politicians just don’t fear repercussions from us……if larger numbers of us started to work together on a campaign of sorts (and get media attention) I think some MPs may not think us so easily rolled over

    Do a Google search on dwp/disability and browse through social media - more and more disabled ppl and journalists are recognising that disability activism and activity across the community needs to start now before reforms are announced - but there’s a lack of a ‘leader’ or campaign acting as a beacon light to draw us together

    The disability organisation DPAC are probably best placed to launch any legal action

    however Scope is one of the biggest disability online communities in the uk and I hope someone figures out how to reach out to all of us (they don’t even need a plan of action, it’s more about getting the numbers ready)


    to all scope members - if you aren’t already online disability activists it’s time you started

    And to @Catherine21 - I think you’d be the first one to admit you are a bit of a headless chicken and your fears overwhelm you - however you don’t need to be smart to let the fear drive you to take positive action. I’ve read your posts when you haven’t gone into overdrive and you’ve said some intelligent things (plus you’re significantly better of posting many short &sweet posts on this forum then me - if you hadn’t noticed i specialise in ‘essay’ length posts)

    I think you do have the ability to reach multiple scope members Catherine as right now the plan of action isn’t important, it’s about being able to easily reach ppl once a corner of the disabled community has a plan of action and needs help with the momentum


    for now @Catherine21 I’ll leave you the following link that may help you have something to build upon (all those not great at composing letters/emails may find this link helpful too

    https://z2k.eaction.org.uk/MP-Secretary-Of-State

  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Posts: 405 Pioneering

    I've Clicked the link and sent an email off.

  • apple85
    apple85 Posts: 853 Championing

    trigger warning - sounds like a particularly tough weekend incoming

    (I don’t know if that’s more media attacks on the disabled, semi official announcements of a very bad nature or a mixture of the 2 - all I know is that John who runs the DNS is a particularly reliable journalist/author and if he’s advising to brace and take care on one’s self then he has a good reason)

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  • carbow32
    carbow32 Posts: 244 Empowering

    Just reading that is triggering. What have they got planned FFS!

  • Zipz
    Zipz Posts: 4,347 Championing

    Is this the first of the potentially triggering reports?

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/dwp-survey-says-200,000-disabled-claimants-are-work-ready?page_comment=2

  • apple85
    apple85 Posts: 853 Championing

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/dwp-survey-says-200%2C000-disabled-claimants-are-work-ready


    there is also a times article published yesterday titled ‘Judgment day nears for Rachel Reeves, and OBR outlook is bleak’ which I’m just about to read and I’ll post screenshots of enough members request it

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/rachel-reeves-obr-economic-growth-bn3v0fhfd

    I’m going to say something very crude - I think welfare reform & cuts has turned into very high stakes - one party (disabled community or reeves/kendall/other related ministers) will pay a very dear personal price depending on how plans are received and level of backlash

    I don’t have much faith in the disabled community putting up a significant fight however I’ve noticed on social media more and more are getting on the same page and declaring their intent not to roll over this time

    There’s a saying to not to approach a wounded animal (as they are more likely to bite)

    We are not too dissimilar to those poor bats and newts reeves doesn’t care will lose their homes for the sake of ‘progress’ - about time we show her that she is stupid to forget that wounded animals can cause much injury if they feel threatened

  • Zipz
    Zipz Posts: 4,347 Championing

    Frances Ryan in yesterday's Guardian seemed to think the package of "reforms" will be announced this month (February).