March 26th and Green Paper Mega Discussion (ITV leaks, etc)
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Do you get uc as well sorry to be nosey I just don't understand it
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from what I’ve seen in comments on YouTube the government have said they want to rush this through quickly and any back benchers refusing to agree will be disciplined. Ellen is looking at legal action if it comes to it and has a plan of action.
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Thank you for this update. Hopefully Ellen is ready to help us again! Fight these scumbags! 😡
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not helpful
Comments like this just reiterate the stereotypes that the disabled are easy targets
Throwing in the towel at the first sign of difficulty just reinforces this and makes government pushing for welfare cuts to fill treasury kitty (if that is the confirmed plan) carry on believing we are the easiest group to balance the books with
I presume I’m one of the preachers you are referring to
Have you ever heard the saying ‘survival of the fittest?’
I’ve navigated the system for a while now and (and some members will disagree with me) but you are better placed to be successful in disability welfare assessments if you have support, the more the better (it takes a village) even if it’s to share the load and reduce overload on MH (esp essential if you have to go through MR, tribunal or want to take a case to high court)
Support a individual may have are friends and family, carers, health specialists, charities and some wild cards (when a support system goes to extraordinary lengths (or just has ‘dumb luck) to obtain a helpful resource that could make all the difference in success or failure) - also some individuals on this forum may have 1 or multiple ‘break glass in emergency’ safety net available to them if the welfare safety net gets compromised (by things like cuts and tightened criteria)
I know there are many on this forum who don’t have a big support system or access to resources (or even have nothing and talking to other scope members is all they have in terms of support
most of us who consider ourselves lucky in terms of our ‘village’ most likely consider sharing personal circumstances as private but also distasteful knowing what others on this forum have got to go through
though I have many health conditions/disablities and my mental health is wrecked I still consider myself to be very very lucky with my village - the easy thing for me to do would be to step away from the scope forum and concentrate solely on myself and figure out how to adapt to possible reforms and find the way to get the highest possible welfare award (much easier to figure out this just for myself)But I have a conscience and feel a duty to pay it forward as other members on this forum have spared their time helping me with answering my questions in past years
what I don’t have time for is those saying they are doomed and figuratively insist on ‘staying on the titanic’ rather than find a ‘life-raft’ or literally anything that may ‘float’ with added body weight. It’s even worse when you try and convince others that there’s no hope and to give up
(In 2025 2 individuals took the gov/dwp to high court and won huge victories - and we’ve had multiple David’s take on the dwp’s Goliath and won big big victories (result in fairer criteria changes and backpay payouts) in the last 15 years - I have a in depth list that may not be complete which I’ll post in the thread I started in the ‘other benefits’ sub topic)6 -
I hope we can find ways to cope with this stress (partly because it’s important to but partly because I’m petty and don’t want the government to have the pleasure of stressing me out lol)
My Crohns is also flaring from the mess and it’s so hard to balance staying in the know and when to go total-distraction-mode (as much as possible)
I hope this evening is better for you, even if just a little bit 💙
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I'm on my own. No family or other network.
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What does it mean when they say the new proposals will be fast tracked? I don't understand any of it, I thought they had to have consultations etc before such things became law. Why isn't Scope putting anything on here to correct us if we could be wrong or misinformed?
What is the usual process for changing legislation to benefits etc, and even if it gets voted through, which by sounds of it will be, can it still then be taken to court if deemed unlawful or discriminatory by the likes of Ellen Clifford?
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I don't know what it means to be fast tracked but yes it can be challenged in court and I am sure it will be.
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the YouTuber who watched a bit of the zoom said they know about the leak on itv news . He said in his opinion it seems it was leaked by someone who doesn’t agree with it . No proof just his opinion . I also watched the black belt barrister and he said this could go through without new legislation but if the 80 MPs who disagree with it and vote against it it would be worse for Starmer. If he took away their whip it could lead to a vote of no confidence. Obviously this would need the 80 plus back benchers to stand by their word .
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That’s an awful lot of work Catherine - it’s not a one person job and though I’m reading more and more members wanting to be proactive I’m not reading many of those offering to help with the legwork
I don’t want share details but there’s a serious amount going on in my personal life right now excluding everything going on in uk politics right now (somehow everything has landed in a condensed 3-4 month period to create the perfect storm - and I’m only a month through - definitely makes the top 5 most difficult points of my life) - I know it’s more a case of when rather than if that I burn myself out (autism overload) and have some type of nervous breakdown as I’m burying my feelings and trying to push through fuelled by anger & fear - don’t know when things will explode and catch up with me……could be next month, could be tomorrow
Bottom line is I know im not the right person to ‘carry the torch’ (there are more respected scope members and activists outside of scope) - my aim is to light the flame and prehaps help construct the torch…………but leave it to others to carry it (you know when before the olympics the torch is carried from past host to current host via a massive relay? - disabled do get easily overwhelmed so this analogy seems appropriate)
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So that's confirmation from a legal expert that all this can go through without legislation....
This means they can 'fast track' and they will 'fast track'.
We are absolutely screwed.
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I can't see 80 of them going against Starzy because they are to self serving and seem to think more about their status than the disabled community.
As far as I am aware no Liebour MP has spoken against these proposals.
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Thank-you so much fluffy. Hoping your crohns calms down too . X
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My opinion is that political parties in all countries of the world are simply a protective screen for bureaucrats, who are also called the "deep state". If the "deep state" screws up badly, they simply change the titular leaders at elections, but the bureaucrats remain the same.
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I actually feel numb to it all like us all been on such a rollercoaster my body shutdown to it I'm inprotection mode it's unstable to live under such pressure no one would never believe it unless suffered it never believe the impact it has it's very cruel but hey worked for centuries and they obviously love the power I do believe they will be challenged big time
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OOh that's good to hear labour are something else I can't say what I want to I hope thier dragged through a hedge backwards worse than tories
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please check it out and see if I heard correctly as it doesn’t make sense . I thought a green paper was a consultation, even the Tory paper asked our opinions . Also if they want to stop LCWRA extra money isn’t that the same as Tory’s which was found unlawful. If it’s all based on the Tory’s not running a risk assessment, well doesn’t seem to gave either .
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I don't use twitter but we need a lot more MP's to oppose it.
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Oh yes it's right in front of our eyes since covid they been getting Richer richer the elites are sick
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I agree to be honest the least we can all do is email all labour mps flood them with same emails over and over clog the system up
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