Upcoming changes to benefits
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I agree pretty much with everything you said, I too didnt sign the Scope form, as I feel there is no need for so much personal details to be given.
Labour also have a history with deliberately misleading charities, charities were told one thing for ESA, and then another thing happened when it launched. Its difficult for a charity to recognise they are being duped I get that, but no charity should be publically approving things until they know its true, and that can only happen after the launch.
Also agree the welfare changes are central to this Labour front bench, I have the opinion a lot of this was planned even before the election. But they are not as good at hiding this stuff as the Tories, what was revealed during that Labour meeting, Kendall having the confidence to let slip and so forth. Kendall also ghosted disabled constituents pre election. We also have one of the DWP ministers going on about how the Tories ignored the benefit spending cap with all the help they provided such as cost of living payments and increases linked to inflation, LHA increase etc. Its the female minister, cant remember her name. But she made it clear Labour think all of that was wrong to do. So of course now Labour are back in power LHA got frozen again immediately, PIP frozen in 2026 (and probably will be in successive years after), as well as cuts to LCWRA component on UC, which we dont yet know size although ITV say between 25-50%.
Value of cuts in excess of double the Tory plans.
Also Labour are talking the talk about getting back to work and barriers, yet they didnt copy the Tory idea of giving LCWRA immunity to assessments if they try to do a job. Under the Labour plans, that risk is back again.
I tried to warn pre election, the appointment of Kendall, Reeves telling parliament her intentions, front bench made up of Tory lite ideologists, the horrific treatment of Corbyn, Labour's history on sickness benefits.2 -
Unless people have suffered mental illness they won’t understand what it’s like. It’s debilitating, leaves me bed bound for a week or more at a time, speaking to someone for 5 minutes leaves me reeling for days giving me tics and panic attacks, I can’t socialise, get my haircut or even go to the dentist, stress causes psychosis. My short term memory is shot to pieces.
It’s a disability under the equality act whether people like it or not. I haven’t seen many people that have physical disabilities blaming those with mental health, a lot are standing up for us, if they are against people claiming for ‘anxiety’ as I’ve seen mentioned it’s the usual ignorant faceless accounts online. They need to ask why are so many of us out of work or relying on PIP? Because the services are abysmal and you ask for help and get a kick in the teeth instead. And I’m sure they don’t want someone like me in a workplace having meltdowns every other day, being completely unreliable, useless at anything I try to do because of the brain fog I suffer with and my complete social ineptness. Every time I’ve tried to fit in somewhere I’ve been bullied because people aren’t willing to help they see me as an inconvenience. Mental illness is just as valid of a reason to be unable to work as someone that has physical disabilities or illnesses and if they try to split the two so one group is targeted it is discrimination and will be taken to court6 -
When they say cutting UC for people that can't work as I am claiming UC & LCWRA element will that be affected
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Its good he is making these comments, but needs to be doing it with intensity, as the government keep fuelling regular stories about these plans, to keep it fresh in peoples minds.
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Politics is dirty, these documentaries always happen around the time governments want to do a policy change, to soften up the public. Both the BBC and C4 can be leveraged.
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Jess Phillips MP, 11/04/2018
Is she still standing up for people in need? Genuine question, I don't know the answer yet but if someone is in her constituency, it may be a good time to write and ask.
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The reason they did the move, is the majority of all new legislation only applies to UC, and in the long term it saves money as UC has no SDP, TP would only last temporarily until eroded away. (for myself I calculated 4 (financial) years based on expected inflation, as I migrated only a few months before April, in reality 3 years and a bit).
A lot of rules are more strict on UC as well, there is regular reviews for means testing, its easier and quicker for them to close claims, they can recover debt much faster and so on. There is also some efficiency improvements, although as I learnt recently also still some inefficiency in place.1 -
Would these new changes to PIP criteria and eligibility not unfairly target those with mental health issues? Surely it's discriminatory and can be challenged in court especially if it puts us at greater risk of harm and deprivation, I'd love to hear what a solicitor or lawywer would think about this. Even if the plans get the go ahead how long would they take to be implemented, are we talking months or years? Iv'e just been reawarded my PIP for another 4 years and now like others I'm terrified this will be the last time I'll ever get it again. Like alot of people on here I have to use that money mainly to top my rent up, which it's not supposed to be for that, but to help with my everyday needs etc. I wish I could afford my own legal advice about all of this as certain groups who are supposed to be helping us are just putting out scripted responses to our concerns.
I think I'm more worried about being reviewed again for PIP in 4 years and facing new criteria that I won't be able to meet, even though my mental health is terrible, but by sounds of things if you can answer a phone or type on a keyboard, or turn the page of a book, you'll lose points for PIP and won't get it. Absolutely ridiculous and evil these plans are!!
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My guess this could take years, and will end up getting wattered down before they become law.
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I’m sorry if it came over as though I was/was trying to initiate infighting in any way (if that was directed at me.) That absolutely wasn’t my intention and I did say in my comment that we need to stick together, regardless of our disabilities, whether physical or mental or both.
The thing is, if these “young idiots” are posting saying they have PIP, then their conditions must be severe enough to be awarded, because we all know how much of a struggle that can be! I’m fairly young (25, first applied aged 22, awarded at 23) for mental illnesses and I felt as though it took until the tribunal for anyone to take me seriously. So it does bug me when people (no one here, but politicians) talk about all these young people being on PIP for “mental health issues” when it is a significant and catastrophic thing.
You don’t belong in the bin, and please don’t let these bstards try and convince you otherwise. It sounds really difficult to have all the physical AND mental conditions you have, and I hope you have an adequate support system and medical input. You deserve that, and you not only deserve but have a RIGHT to live the best life you can. These out of touch, idiotic politicians will never understand. But we do.Again I’m sorry if my comment came over as dismissive or diminishing — I just think it’s important for the wider public to stand up for those of us with invisible disabilities too, and I’m sick of mental illness not being taken seriously by people in power. They could not live a DAY in our brains. They just couldn’t. And if they managed, I have no doubt that their attitudes would be significantly different!
We need to stand together. They want us to be divided. And if they focus on the mentally ill, next they’ll come for the physically ill who have some degree of capacity, and so on until everyone is stripped.
We’re in this together!
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Yeah its a Labour MP. I don't have any faith in getting any sympathy from her with what I have read online about her and from local people but I need to write to her regardless. I expect I will just get a generic "change is needed. Work is good for the soul" typical Labour MP reply, if any.
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Old style Contribution Based ESA is currently not being transferred over to UC at the moment. However I'm not sure if we will be effected with the upcoming proposed changes. x
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She definitely needs to be reminded that the most deprived constituencies are overwhelmingly Labour ones. Hammer the poor is rarely a popular policy with poor people, regardless of what a poll in the Daily Mail told them.
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Hi Catherine , I’m stressed as we all are . Not much appetite right now. Trying to keep mind busy as I don’t know what to worry about as they’re not confirming anything. I think they’re finding it harder than they expected and have delayed the green paper so that’s good news 🤞🙏.
How are you doing ?
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Think you might have intended to use someone else's quote there!
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Hi sorry i think its my post that came across wrong. My partner & kids suffer with mental illness, they won't apply for pip after seeing what i was put through.
I wasn't taking aim at anyone i was trying to say (badly) its people who do those sort of things i think lie-bour are using to push this disgraceful narrative.
I'm honestly starting to think the leak was intentional & i dont think they were expecting such a backlash from the general public but also terrified it wont make a difference.
I am not usually good with words so if i ever saying anything wrong i apologise in advance. My view in life is it doesnt matter what your sex, age, religion, race etc you fit into 2 catergories 1) decent 2) idiots
Ive come along way since been bullied at school, getting through what i know were sexual assults (but never viewed it that way as it was groping by a man & woman) going through alot in my marraige, self harm, you know what im suprised im not more broken 🤣.
I won't let them knock me down, i can fall down all by myself 🤣🤣.
Sorry about my sense of humour.
Sometimes i wish i was back to been oblivious of whats going on
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Please, please don’t apologise! You didn’t say anything wrong at all, and your sense of humour is great ;)
I’m autistic so I struggle to read tone, but I absolutely wasn’t trying to be rude there and I’m so sorry if it came across that way! I’m just so incandescently angry with this government and their spineless MPs (bar the ones who are actually giving an F about our rights to exist.) And I’m tired of mental illnesses being diminished in general. But I know that’s not what you were doing and again I’m so sorry if it came over like I was insinuating you were!
I think a lot of it is also exploitation by the media. I keep seeing articles staying nonsense like “mum of six claims £3k in benefits a month is NOT ENOUGH” when in reality it’s a vulnerable disabled person who is genuinely struggling (and is likely on that much from enhanced PIP, being in a couple, having kids etc.) But the media take advantage of these people who have real concerns and publish them with the intent of making them seem like scroungers wasting hard earned tax. And then folk see these headlines and decide that mindset is true and they’re personally paying us to sit about watching tv all day (which is sometimes how I spend the day, because I’m too fatigued to do anything else or my paranoia is too bad to leave the house, and believe me I’d rather be up and about!)
Sorry for that slightly off topic rant! I also just wanted to say that you have been through so much, and I’m so sorry to hear that. Your experiences and illnesses are valid, and I know that’s a given and also sounds cliched but I feel like sometimes it’s good to be reminded, even if by a stranger, considering everything we’re hearing about ourselves right now. You are stronger than these weak-willed cowardly politicians ever will be! We all are. We should never forget or doubt that.
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Just seen on X the TUC leader putting out a message saying they (labour) need to learn from history & not repeat it (Tory). Not to touch PIP it does need sorting but with unions & disabled community involved
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it’s a rollercoaster Catherine . And they know they’re causing suffering. Psychopaths all of them especially Starmer . Who’s taking Starmer to court ? I haven’t heard anything about that . Who’s fifi ? Glad her bloods came back good . Anything medical is such a worry.
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