Upcoming changes to benefits
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thank you for that . The points system worries me as I’ve found that answers I’ve given assessors would say give me 4 points but I’ve been awarded 2 . This certainly happened during my last assessment where I was awarded enough points for highest but never getting more than 2 points per answer . This is open to assessors being able to fail ppl . So if they ask someone with say arthritis or fibromyalgia etc where pain changes to different areas , can you wash between you waist and shoulders and they answer is most of time no , they then ask can you wash your hair . Obviously you can’t if you can’t wash up your your shoulders. So depending on your assessor do you get 2 points or the needed 4 ? This to me is just starting the whole pip assessor situation where when I first went to pip I was bullied and lied about not only the assessor but the first tier tribunal.
Secondly if they’re admitting that this is to stop the amount of claimants and not to get people working is that lawful ? And Kendall as good as admitted they haven’t done a risk assessment. Didn’t Ellen Clifford win her court case because for the same reasons.2 -
like i said earlier this is only the green paper this is what they WANT to do what they WILL do will probs be alot more relaxed than this
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It said its for new claimants,
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the biggest worry for me is lcwra . I’m on legacy esa so I could move over anytime as I don’t get SDP . But if I’m told to prepare for work I simply can’t . Will that mean sanctions even for sick or disabled ppl ?
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I didn’t see that part , brain fog 😩. But what about reviews ? I take it if this comes into affect it will be existing claimants up for review ?
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I just read it again and it’s also for reassessments . So they’ll get us all eventually if they can . If any of this is even true .
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Your very welcome😊
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Only if the people get SDP. Over half the people moving from ESA to UC get no TP because the basic rate is a lot higher.
However the way things are going UC will end up being the same rate as the current ESA, plus the people who get TP will never see a benefit rise for maybe 10 years now if the cuts come in..
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Hi,
Does anyone know if the cuts will affect New Style ESA? That’s the only benefit I receive, in support group. Many of the articles only mention legacy ESA, UC and PIP to be affected?
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Nobody knows the details yet, i think this will be more for new claimants, however their is high chance this will end up going to high court so this will get challenged with the LCWRAG group.
This will end up getting watered down before becoming law and could possibly take years.
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I know it is really hard :-( but try to block out the news until tuesday.
right now their is so much speculation which does not help anyone :-(
Keep in mind this will be a green paper so it has lengthy proccess, i think once we know for sure what the cuts will be on tuesday then we can get better idea then.
As Dave says just because they want these changes does not mean they will happened once they do become law.
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Glad Wes Streeting is getting called out by experts! He’s such a slimy little — I’m going to censor myself here. But you get the point.
The fact he called it “mental wellbeing” makes it even more ridiculous. As I said earlier — it’s mental ILLNESS. It’s a literal, medical, legal disability. No one is getting signed off work or awarded PIP for “mild stress” or whatever he wants to make it out to be
Editing to add: this isn’t to minimise people with stress no matter how “minor” it might seem, it’s a real and valid issue and deserves to be taken seriously. But these uneducated idiots appear to think that people are getting PIP/LCWRA based on that, and not severe mental illness diagnosis’
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I can’t see how legally they could remove our rights as sick and disabled people . Removing lcwra and not replacing it with an alternative benefit is basically denying the existence of sick people. Not only that but if they plan on increasing money for basic uc yet scrap lcwra that means we will also be on basic rate and get the higher rate . So there wouldn’t be any savings anyway . Nothing makes sense to me really. If what’s in the msm is correct why did streeting say he didn’t know of the reforms yet ? Right now I’m feeling more positive as there’s more resistance to this than I think they expected. I read this evening in the guardian someone from parliament said reeves and Starmer are worried now. All we can do for our health and MH is try to relax until we know more and remember ppl are not happy with what they’re doing and will fight back .
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Mixed news in tomorrow’s papers:
First the good news, according to the i Paper ‘Labour disability benefits cuts rebellion grows despite No. 10 concessions’
Then a scaremongering front page by the Telegraph (not surprised considering how right wing it is mind) ‘4 in 10 Gen-Z workers consider quitting to live on benefits’ - Though reading into the headline further, it *actually* says 37% of people have considered leaving their jobs in the last 12 months, which sounds like something totally different!
Edit - Oh and one possible glimmer of hope for us, the Guardian’s front page has just been added and it says they may potentially freeze LCWRA rather than cut it. Which still isn’t ideal, but is a better alternative than most of what we’ve seen this last few weeks.5 -
they are evil as is Kendall and Timms. All we can do is try and relax until we actually know what they do plan .
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I am trying to remain positive until we get the official announcement
All these 'leaks' and speculation is not doing any of us any good.
Happy Saint Patrick's day !tomorrow!
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hi , I can’t find anything about freezing lcwra , could you post a screenshot please . This would be good news if true 🙏
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Of course!
Main paragraph is ‘Among MPs there is also widespread concern about reported plans to cut - or potentially freeze - the top rate of benefits for disabled people who are unable to work…’
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oh yes . I actually read that and missed it . Well done spotting that . Possibly a subtle leak ?
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What are the 2015 reforms and what effect does it have(introduced by IDS)
House of Lords Select Committee on Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform WELFARE REFORM AND WORK BILL Memorandum from the Department for Work and Pensions Introduction
1. The Welfare Reform and Work Bill was introduced in the House of Commons on 9 July 2015.
2.This Memorandum identifies the provisions for delegated legislation in the Welfare Reform and Work Bill. It explains the purpose of the powers, the reason why they are left to delegated legislation and, where applicable, why they are not subject to any Parliamentary procedure.
Clauses 13 and 14– removing the work-related activity component in ESA and the limited capability for work element in UC.
16. These clauses remove provision for an additional payment to be made to ESA and UC claimants with limited capability for work.
17. Clause 13 removes provision for the payment of the work-related activity component in ESA.
18. Clause 14 removes the fact that a claimant has limited capability for work from the list of needs or circumstances which may be prescribed, in respect of which an additional amount is included as part of an award of universal credit.
19. Claimants with limited capability for work and work-related activity will continue to receive an additional amount of benefit as part of UC.
20. The intention is that the removal will be subject to exceptions. In particular, it is intended that the removal will not apply to:
those already in receipt of the work-related activity component or limited capability for work element at the point of commencement; UC claimants who have made their claim before the date of commencement (or are treated as having made their claim before that date) and who have provided medical evidence in support of their claim on the grounds of sickness/disability who are determined to have limited capability for work following their assessment; and existing incapacity benefit, severe disablement allowance, and income support claimants who have not yet had their awards converted to ESA who following conversion are placed in the limited capability for work group.
21. New powers have therefore been created in clause 13 (subsection (4))to allow the Secretary of State to make regulations to make the savings and transitional protection required for ESA.
22. No new regulation powers are needed in clause 14 for UC as there is already power in the Welfare Reform Act 2012 to make provision in regulations under that Act for the exceptions.
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