Your reaction to today's budget and the Health and Disability White Paper
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tomm said:Cartini said:To be honest, I think people are creating stress / unrest for themselves over something that may never enter into law. A white paper is a consultation paper produced by the government to seek comments from the public over proposed changes.White papers do not always transition to law.I, personally, will not be reading any sensationalistic journalism on the subject; I`ll wait until a decision is formally announced by the government.
Let's hope this Attack on the sick doesn't because in the current form It will not work and will end in a massive infringement of human rights , making or COERCING disabled or sick People to work IS WRONG unless they wish to work, but it has to be their choice NOT the DWP's or SSWPEveryone is reading their own version into this prospective change (it`s a white paper, white papers are not always transitioned into law).My interpretation is that it`s to give disabled people who want to work that opportunity without penalising them (reducing benefits £ for £).
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Cartini said:Everyone is reading their own version into this prospective change (it`s a white paper, white papers are not always transitioned into law).My interpretation is that it`s to give disabled people who want to work that opportunity without penalising them (reducing benefits £ for £).Yes, agreed, but / and:It looks like there is cause for real concern about the use of PIP in place of the work capability assessment, and that both are deeply flawed in many ways. Given the government's record in this area, it is not unreasonable to look at how to ensure that our voices are heard with the possible implimentation of these proposals.You're quite right about this being prospective, but that's even more reason to get ourselves involved with the process, even though my gut feeling is that there's a large amount of distraction going on (don't look at the man behind the curtain!) and there will be a lot of just coasting along until the next election, at which point either things will start to happen with this, or a new lot will come along maybe with a different set of proposals.Either way, let's ensure that nothing happens without us, the people who will be affected by any changes, are heard and are involved.1
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NotReally said:Cartini said:Everyone is reading their own version into this prospective change (it`s a white paper, white papers are not always transitioned into law).My interpretation is that it`s to give disabled people who want to work that opportunity without penalising them (reducing benefits £ for £).Yes, agreed, but / and:It looks like there is cause for real concern about the use of PIP in place of the work capability assessment, and that both are deeply flawed in many ways. Given the government's record in this area, it is not unreasonable to look at how to ensure that our voices are heard with the possible implimentation of these proposals.You're quite right about this being prospective, but that's even more reason to get ourselves involved with the process, even though my gut feeling is that there's a large amount of distraction going on (don't look at the man behind the curtain!) and there will be a lot of just coasting along until the next election, at which point either things will start to happen with this, or a new lot will come along maybe with a different set of proposals.Either way, let's ensure that nothing happens without us, the people who will be affected by any changes, are heard and are involved.Hi,I`m not trying to deter people from voicing their opinions or making themselves heard by the government, far from it.I completely understand the concern held by people; the problem is that everyone has their own interpretation which, for want of an expression, turns an omelette into scrambled eggs.The biggest problem with this prospective change is that Starmer and his croanies have already stated they will reverse any changes this white paper proposes (or implements if it gets to that stage); that in itself is going to cause more unrest and distress.
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Biblioklept said:
Could you point me to a source for this? I'm interested to read what was actually saidCartini said:NotReally said:Cartini said:Everyone is reading their own version into this prospective change (it`s a white paper, white papers are not always transitioned into law).My interpretation is that it`s to give disabled people who want to work that opportunity without penalising them (reducing benefits £ for £).Yes, agreed, but / and:It looks like there is cause for real concern about the use of PIP in place of the work capability assessment, and that both are deeply flawed in many ways. Given the government's record in this area, it is not unreasonable to look at how to ensure that our voices are heard with the possible implimentation of these proposals.You're quite right about this being prospective, but that's even more reason to get ourselves involved with the process, even though my gut feeling is that there's a large amount of distraction going on (don't look at the man behind the curtain!) and there will be a lot of just coasting along until the next election, at which point either things will start to happen with this, or a new lot will come along maybe with a different set of proposals.Either way, let's ensure that nothing happens without us, the people who will be affected by any changes, are heard and are involved.Hi,I`m not trying to deter people from voicing their opinions or making themselves heard by the government, far from it.I completely understand the concern held by people; the problem is that everyone has their own interpretation which, for want of an expression, turns an omelette into scrambled eggs.The biggest problem with this prospective change is that Starmer and his croanies have already stated they will reverse any changes this white paper proposes (or implements if it gets to that stage); that in itself is going to cause more unrest and distress.
Regardless, I wouldn't say that it is the biggest problem with the prospective change...Sorry Biblioklept - my mistake. It`s the pension changes they will reverse (too much **** swimming around my head).It`s no longer the biggest problem now I`ve realised I mentioned the wrong reversal
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66Mustang said:Just answering for myself but I'm sure my response will be similar to some others...
I really want to get into work and would welcome support in finding a job that fits around my illness.
But I worry the "support" will continue to be generic and not applicable to me; I need some sort of tailored support from someone who understands MY disabilities, not a "Jack of All Trades" type person who has read a book about disability and thinks they are an expert.
I also worry that more things like having to attend meetings will apply, which I can't do. I can't use the telephone and cannot use computer programs like Zoom.
In conclusion I think if they are offering truly tailored support, i.e. working with the same person from start to finish so they can get to know me and my needs, I like the idea. However...I won't lie, the announcements do strike my anxiety and doubt chords!
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IAM 59 due to works accident degenrative for life back issue mobility walking / standing . 10 % industrial injury award . GOOD work record payed 42 yrs class1 ni/ tax paye . so by pay min 35 yrs OAP PENSTION payed for but cant claim it to 66 current . I work as driver up to 3 days 30 hours week via AGENTCY non manuall handle work FEB- APRIL quite top up with UC UNICREDIT . Which is top up not disability benefit . FIND full time 48 hours as wrd 5 days to much psycially / mentally . USE EQUALLITY DIV ACT 2010 RESONABLE ADJUSTNMENTS IN WORK . NO manuall handle work / part time hours . LOT EMPLOYERS DONT WANT NO . DONT thinck i reach 66 due degenrative back problem , 7 year to i can claim oap penstion . I TAKE dim veiw makes u anexouis / nervous . THAT typically flawed coroupt selfserving arogent , tax offshore avading TORY CONSERVATIVIES . Typical tory budget to conserve save money . TAKEN right away for people with disabilitys to retire early on health grounds . BECAUSE people age 55 - 64 with disabilitys are 2023 bulk off unemployed we being forced to work to we drop / die get 66 . OLD 1920s victortian work houses . work houses . WE being picked on are freedooms choice piower control over our lives taken from us . MOST over 55s payed min 35 yrs tax/ ni paye class1 so we more payed our OAP penstion + any benefits we may claim . TYPICAL TORY CON rich get richer + poor poorer . as last 13 years 2010-dec 2024 . WE GET AUSTERITY to pay for lost revenue in TAX OFFSHORE AVATION . BY BIG corporates certain mps , plc,s companys . ROLL ON ELECTION dec 2024 max 5 years GET tory cons out .1
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Yes, it seems so. If the proposals come into law, you'll need to be on PIP to get the equivalent of the current LCWRA element.So the new criteria is PIP qualification, thats the movement of the goal posts then.
They'd need to change the PIP assessment too as needing help in daily living is not the same as being able to work, though they like to think it is, i.e. if you don't get PIP then you're OK to work.3 -
Getting PIP won't stop job search requirements if the work coach deems it suitable, so it doesn't matter if PIP is not a fit for work benefit.3
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Many people receive LCWRA but not PIP so the changes will remove this element, like it did for LCW in 2017. That's a lot of money to lose a month (approx £354 at the moment).2
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tifo said:Many people receive LCWRA but not PIP so the changes will remove this element, like it did for LCW in 2017. That's a lot of money to lose a month (approx £354 at the moment).I completely agree I'm not disputing that, but there is a misconception that's this new health element deems you unfit to work...that isn't the case.3
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tifo said:IF u have mobilty issue standing walking range 20 - 50 meteres on & bad day . HOW you going leave the house go anywere let alone do 1 days work ?????. LACK COMMONSENSE / PRACTICALITY IN THIS leaves u speech less . JUST BECAUSE U DONT GET PIP DOES NOT NOT MEAN U dont have disability cant work . THE TORY ROUGUES / CONS / DWP DONT LOOK IT LIKE THAT . HOPEFULLY by dec 2024 TORY CONS ROUGUES FLAWED COROUPT PARTY VOTED OUT OUT . SO this may never come true 2025-2026 . if LABOUR come to power 2024 . FINGERS crossed touch wood . new criteria is PIP qualification, thats the movement of the goal posts then.Yes, it seems so. If the proposals come into law, you'll need to be on PIP to get the equivalent of the current LCWRA element.
They'd need to change the PIP assessment too as needing help in daily living is not the same as being able to work, though they like to think it is, i.e. if you don't get PIP then you're OK to work.
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SO if u produce & sick/ fit note from GP will DWP / UC except it as excuse u cant / not fit to work ????? ATM u have up to 6 mouths claiming SSP sick pay 26 weeks + uc for housing eletnment / rent rebate . AFTER 26 weeks on SSP Employer can make u redundant as not fit to do the job u employed to do if not fit to work after 26 weeks . & 26 weeks + use to have WCA/ ASSETNMENT BY DWP .JBS2022 said:Getting PIP won't stop job search requirements if the work coach deems it suitable, so it doesn't matter if PIP is not a fit for work benefit.0 -
Even at the moment the DWP don't accept a GPs fit note as an 'excuse' that you can't work, that's why they have the WCA and it's then up to an assessor to decide. They can and regularly do over rule the GP/hospital and say there's nothing wrong with you. The DWP decision maker usually follows their recommendation.SO if u produce & sick/ fit note from GP will DWP / UC except it as excuse u cant / not fit to work ????? ATM u have up to 6 mouths claiming SSP sick pay 26 weeks + uc for housing eletnment / rent rebate . AFTER 26 weeks on SSP Employer can make u redundant as not fit to do the job u employed to do if not fit to work after 26 weeks . & 26 weeks + use to have WCA/ ASSETNMENT BY DWP .2 -
THATS issue TORY GOVRTNMENT / DWP made system even more flawed & coroupt . WCA/ PIP. IS assetnment only made by SEMI proffestionals , nurse paramedic , etc. NOT ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON / GP / SPECHIALIST . & ASSEORS LIE ON THERE REPORTS to get there bonus payntment YET dwp go 60 % on that report 40 % gp/ spechialist . I 59 now mobility , spine issues degenrative for life 10 % industrial injury awaed for life cant see my self going to 66 retirtnment still working . JUST more bully/ austerity / cost cuttimg by torys picking on people 55-65 with disabilitys . Taking more off our freedoms of choice power control over out livies away . BEING ILL / IN HOSPITAL WITH BROKEN LEG IN PLASTER / HAVING SPINE MOBILTY ISSUE STAND/ WALKING DISABILITY . BEING DISABLEB / WITH DISABILTY NO EXCUSE NOT TO WORK ??????..... THATS seems attituide / DWP , Flawed coroupt selfserving arogent tax offshore avading CONservative party . BY DEC 2024 Lets hope tory cons voted out power THIS never happen in 2025- 2026 .tifo said:
Even at the moment the DWP don't accept a GPs fit note as an 'excuse' that you can't work, that's why they have the WCA and it's then up to an assessor to decide. They can and regularly do over rule the GP/hospital and say there's nothing wrong with you. The DWP decision maker usually follows their recommendation.SO if u produce & sick/ fit note from GP will DWP / UC except it as excuse u cant / not fit to work ????? ATM u have up to 6 mouths claiming SSP sick pay 26 weeks + uc for housing eletnment / rent rebate . AFTER 26 weeks on SSP Employer can make u redundant as not fit to do the job u employed to do if not fit to work after 26 weeks . & 26 weeks + use to have WCA/ ASSETNMENT BY DWP .2 -
I'm absolutely disgusted by their approach, I know for a fact that with all of my conditions I won't stand any chance whatsoever of getting employed. In my eyes it feels like one more way to pile more stress on disabled people, stress is a massive killer. Some mornings I just think what's the point in carrying on but I drag myself up, this white paper is just going to make it so much harder for me. I'm sure many others feel the same. If you do feel like that just remember you aren't alone4
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NO how u feel 59 now still work part time 3 days week. Have spine / back / mobilty issues . CANT see myself working to 66 . DAILY PAIN IS stressfull depressing . WE ARE NOT ALONE . WHO ARE MUPPETTS that adviced govertnment on disabilty?????? not people with disabiltys or daily pain i say .4
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I'm very interested to see how this affects my son.0
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What about if your in the WRAG group will benefit sanctions be applied more vigorously ?0
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