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Your reaction to today's budget and the Health and Disability White Paper

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  • g7iqj
    g7iqj Community member Posts: 86 Courageous
    tifo said:
    g7iqj said:

    SO if u produce  & sick/ fit   note   from GP   will DWP / UC  except  it as excuse u cant /  not fit to  work ?????    ATM    u  have up to  6 mouths  claiming   SSP   sick pay  26 weeks +   uc for housing eletnment / rent rebate . AFTER  26 weeks on SSP  Employer can make u redundant  as not fit to do the job u  employed to do  if not fit to work after 26 weeks .   &  26 weeks +   use to have  WCA/   ASSETNMENT  BY DWP . 
    Even at the moment the DWP don't accept a GPs fit note as an 'excuse' that you can't work, that's why they have the WCA and it's then up to an assessor to decide. They can and regularly do over rule the GP/hospital and say there's nothing wrong with you. The DWP decision maker usually follows their recommendation.
    THATS issue   TORY GOVRTNMENT / DWP   made system even more flawed & coroupt .  WCA/ PIP.   IS assetnment   only   made by SEMI  proffestionals  , nurse paramedic , etc.   NOT ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON / GP / SPECHIALIST .   &     ASSEORS LIE ON THERE REPORTS  to get  there bonus payntment  YET  dwp  go 60 % on that report  40 %  gp/ spechialist .  I 59 now  mobility , spine issues  degenrative for life 10 % industrial injury awaed for life  cant see my self  going to 66 retirtnment still working .  JUST more bully/ austerity / cost cuttimg  by torys  picking on people 55-65 with disabilitys . Taking more off our freedoms of choice power control over out livies away .   BEING  ILL /  IN HOSPITAL WITH  BROKEN LEG  IN PLASTER /    HAVING SPINE MOBILTY ISSUE  STAND/ WALKING  DISABILITY .     BEING DISABLEB / WITH DISABILTY    NO EXCUSE NOT TO WORK ??????.....      THATS seems  attituide  /  DWP ,  Flawed  coroupt  selfserving arogent  tax offshore avading    CONservative party .    BY   DEC 2024    Lets hope tory cons  voted out  power THIS never happen in 2025- 2026 .
  • Daren68
    Daren68 Community member Posts: 8 Connected
    I'm absolutely disgusted by their approach, I know for a fact that with all of my conditions I won't stand any chance whatsoever of getting employed. In my eyes it feels like one more way to pile more stress on disabled people, stress is a massive killer. Some mornings I just think what's the point in carrying on but I drag myself up, this white paper is just going to make it so much harder for me. I'm sure many others feel the same. If you do feel like that just remember you aren't alone
  • g7iqj
    g7iqj Community member Posts: 86 Courageous
    NO  how u feel  59 now still work part time 3 days week. Have  spine / back / mobilty issues . CANT  see myself working to 66 . DAILY PAIN IS stressfull  depressing . WE ARE NOT ALONE .   WHO ARE MUPPETTS that adviced govertnment  on disabilty??????    not people with disabiltys or daily pain i say . 
  • Teigr
    Teigr Community member Posts: 2,991 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm very interested to see how this affects my son.
  • Signon
    Signon Community member Posts: 16 Listener
    What about if your in the WRAG group will benefit sanctions be applied more vigorously ?
  • g7iqj
    g7iqj Community member Posts: 86 Courageous
    WHITE PAPER PROPOSED , WANT come in to next parlitnment .  ONLY    IF CONSERVATIVIES win next election  2024dec  end current 5 yrs 2019-2024.    its case watch this space .  ONLY  hope LABOUR win next election quash it . WE no what to expect  if conservativies win . 
  • PollyPick
    PollyPick Community member Posts: 32 Courageous
    Being on benefits and able to work just does not mix well, no matter what the Government says they will always find a way to stop payments to you whether you work or not, you will be 'means tested' to the point where each week you will have to submit a pay slip or some proof of earnings so they can cut down your benefits - they fool you into believing they are 'giving' you a good deal but deep down they are looking for ways to get more from the people - MPs need to dig deep into their bank accounts and cut down on their spending - after all my toilet and bathroom needs decorating and flooring but I have no 'expense account' to charge it to! 
  • scraggs
    scraggs Community member Posts: 76 Courageous
    I am on UC with lcwra element just been awarded enhanced pip Dec 2022 for both daily care and mobility I am confused 🤔 does this mean UC will ask me for assessment ? Or will I be automatically moved over to the health assessment ? Been awarded pip for 10 years ! I just don't understand how it will affect me 😢 I would be a liability in work place  falling concentration brain fog  extreme fatigue needing to go bed 🛏️ cramping hands no warning then cannot use them😢 and arms and legs numbness in my legs to the point I cannot lift my feet up to walk properly   in lots pain constantly  who would employ me if I could not go into work everyday  ? Also who would be liable for me falling stumbling in workplace? The DWP or workplace? ( Secondary progressive multiple sclerosis ) so does that mean if this new UC health assessment says you can work would I lose my pip ? 
  • scraggs
    scraggs Community member Posts: 76 Courageous
    That's real bad 😢 I hope the Tories don't get elected again either 😡 the other thing I would like to know if I come off UC would I still get my ESA ? I was  automatically switched over from legacy benefit ESA lcwra support group I'm just curious if I stopped the UC and not claim it at all would my ESA benefit stop 🤔
  • Tina12
    Tina12 Community member Posts: 171 Pioneering
    Iam just so confused by all this..Iam on LCWRA and UC since last year so does that mean I have to apply for pip so we don't lose out or we automatically go on the new UC element ?? Confused.com
  • Lottgelady
    Lottgelady Community member Posts: 19 Courageous
    NotReally said:
    Cartini said:
    Everyone is reading their own version into this prospective change (it`s a white paper, white papers are not always transitioned into law).
    My interpretation is that it`s to give disabled people who want to work that opportunity without penalising them (reducing benefits £ for £).

    Yes, agreed, but / and:

    It looks like there is cause for real concern about the use of PIP in place of the work capability assessment, and that both are deeply flawed in many ways.  Given the government's record in this area, it is not unreasonable to look at how to ensure that our voices are heard with the possible implimentation of these proposals. 

    You're quite right about this being prospective, but that's even more reason to get ourselves involved with the process, even though my gut feeling is that there's a large amount of distraction going on (don't look at the man behind the curtain!) and there will be a lot of just coasting along until the next election, at which point either things will start to happen with this, or a new lot will come along maybe with a different set of proposals. 

    Either way, let's ensure that nothing happens without us, the people who will be affected by any changes, are heard and are involved.
    It is already causing division, which of course is it's intended purpose, along with the small boats issue, in hopefully a vain attempt to keep those 'red wall' voters they persuaded to vote Tory to 'get Brexit done'. It was embarrassing  to hear people jump up and down with glee that 'them furiners that tek us jobs will be going 'ome where they belong'. Them foreigners are here, and we will be sending them home - yet they will be doing overseas recruitment again to fill those posts that actually we as a nation don't want to do! 

    After 24 lots of surgery, I have been unable to work now for 13 years - I HATE it! I would far rather have some sort of purpose than sit on my own, day in & day out, socially isolated and poor. The other day on Twitter I was told I was lazy and should get off my fat **** and work, as he had done when he had a leg injury, he went to work on crutches and never had a day off!

    I definitely do not fancy having some 'work coach' who hasn't a clue (and probably has a target anyway) deciding whether or not I am fit to work - it was bad enough having an Atos or whoever 'health professional' deciding on my future with not a clue about my disabilities. I suppose that I was 'lucky' enough to have so many of them that deciding on me wasn't that difficult! This will be far worse if this Govt get back in ....


  • bluebell26
    bluebell26 Scope Member Posts: 1 Connected
    One thing I noticed was the: 
    • Pensions lifetime allowance to be abolished
    As far as I can remember from my days as a pensions administrator - lifetime allowance (PLA) is the amount you can have each year when claiming your 'pension' before paying tax. This is usually a very high amount (over £30k per year) So this just seems to me like another tax break for richer folks? 
  • stevie66
    stevie66 Community member Posts: 35 Courageous
    When will a Torry govement stop using stick and carrot an edifice to the numbers of disability benefits claimants.
    From what I've been reading everyone looking for the catch.
    As everyone is expecting just that as usual with goverment there is a motive and not usually what's best for the people.
  • g7iqj
    g7iqj Community member Posts: 86 Courageous
     AGE 59  due to works accident 36  yrs back .  Now   left with DEGENRATIVE  for life spine / back issue/ mobility issues walkng standing  over 20- 50 meteres  .  I  like lot others ,PAYED 40 yrs  CLASS1 ni / tax /stamp  PAYE .  Still managedge  part time non handball / manuall handle driving work , top up with UC UNICREDIT ASS WHEN NEEDED.  I FIND it offensive  current govertnment say   WE  people with disabilitys  give nothing back system  all take  ????.    HOW  can this be when we  like me& you worked full time contributed to system   over  40 yrs  so ur OAP  penstion  paid for by paying  35 yrs off NI / PAYE CLASS1 .  BUT  current cant claim it to 66 RISING  . TO  point we only claiming  some off what we payed in for over years .   IE   NI  pays for state oap penstion , nhs ,   benefits . CURRENT GOVERTNMENT  dont look it like that . 
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  • 2oldcodgers
    2oldcodgers Posts: 743 Connected
    g7iqj said:
     AGE 59  due to works accident 36  yrs back .  Now   left with DEGENRATIVE  for life spine / back issue/ mobility issues walkng standing  over 20- 50 meteres  .  I  like lot others ,PAYED 40 yrs  CLASS1 ni / tax /stamp  PAYE .  Still managedge  part time non handball / manuall handle driving work , top up with UC UNICREDIT ASS WHEN NEEDED.  I FIND it offensive  current govertnment say   WE  people with disabilitys  give nothing back system  all take  ????.    HOW  can this be when we  like me& you worked full time contributed to system   over  40 yrs  so ur OAP  penstion  paid for by paying  35 yrs off NI / PAYE CLASS1 .  BUT  current cant claim it to 66 RISING  . TO  point we only claiming  some off what we payed in for over years .   IE   NI  pays for state oap penstion , nhs ,   benefits . CURRENT GOVERTNMENT  dont look it like that . 
    I do believe that the point of this new policy is not to look back at what you paid but more to the future to carry out some level of work despite a disability that pays a wage from which the government need the NI and tax payments.
    Most disabled, and I count myself as one who are able to work to earn a living.
    I should also mention that your NI paymnts are National INSURANCE payments.
    Your State Pension is simply the proceeds from an INSURANCE policy set up by the government. They set an age that is considered to be an age when work should cease. As we are living longer then it is only right that the age of Retirement also gets longer.  
  • g7iqj
    g7iqj Community member Posts: 86 Courageous
    DISAGREE WITH THAT  I    lost lot freinds  last 5 - 10  years. most 48- 64 lot  C/ CANCER RELATED  LOT   never made retirntment .  Because covid , other reasons LIVING  age over last 3 years droped  was avg 75-85 , now 75- 80 . Age   75 was avg age 15 years back thats what system was  set up for.  THE  problem with current system PIP / WECA ETC.  it is assetnment  not medical as was pre 2016 BY  qualfied doctor spechialist  most offten  now assors  just young nurse 25-35  just basic nurse  . AND asseors do tell lies on there reports to earn there bonus  for aevery one they pass fit for work weca/ fail for pipi  .  70 % cases what go to tribunral  overturned & claimiant is awarded pip / weca  DISAGREE  with you  NOT  all people  with disabilitys can work , esp if the disabilty is mobility related .   IE  difficulty walking  / standing  moving HOW  do they  do any manual work ???. walk to bus stops  to get anywere ?? . ENGLAND  is one 6 richest country in the world  . ITS  not the disabled  the GOVERTNMENT want clamp down . BUT  TAX OFFSHORE AVADERS  £ billtions  lost to econmy / our tax system in last 13 years  . ALL  what has happened in last 13 years is rich got richer poor  poorer few lucky ones have all wealth  IN herited  not earned .  . LIKE you because degenrative for life spine back condtion walking standing  i work up to 3 days week  30 hours , cant manadge full time  40 + hours  now & 59 due  disabilty  walking  standing . I  dont feel i be working to 67 . as i said  ,1920s victortian govertment  TORY CONS  2010-2024  , put money welf greed  selfish ness  1 priority  use money as form power , control domination . LACK empathy  compastion  lords  sons daughters  never done full days work in there life . HOPEFULLY  gone by dec 2024 . WE can have more fair democractic  ENGLAND  not 1920s  neolibrail  victortian values polilcys as like now current 2010- 2024 . TIME  tell .  IF  you wish to agree, support ,  1920s era & Tory / conservativie  ways of govertnment thats your free choice . I DONT  never have / will never have , will vote for them .  THE alternative 1997-2010  was better times more fair square democractic . 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 52,414 Disability Gamechanger
    g7iqj said:
     THE  problem with current system PIP / WECA ETC.  it is assetnment  not medical as was pre 2016 BY  qualfied doctor spechialist 

    I've never known any assessment be a medical and i've claimed both ESA and PIP for 10 years. The assessors have never needed to have any medical knowledge of any medical conditions because none of them have anything to do with a diagnosis.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • stevie66
    stevie66 Community member Posts: 35 Courageous
    g7iqj said:
     AGE 59  due to works accident 36  yrs back .  Now   left with DEGENRATIVE  for life spine / back issue/ mobility issues walkng standing  over 20- 50 meteres  .  I  like lot others ,PAYED 40 yrs  CLASS1 ni / tax /stamp  PAYE .  Still managedge  part time non handball / manuall handle driving work , top up with UC UNICREDIT ASS WHEN NEEDED.  I FIND it offensive  current govertnment say   WE  people with disabilitys  give nothing back system  all take  ????.    HOW  can this be when we  like me& you worked full time contributed to system   over  40 yrs  so ur OAP  penstion  paid for by paying  35 yrs off NI / PAYE CLASS1 .  BUT  current cant claim it to 66 RISING  . TO  point we only claiming  some off what we payed in for over years .   IE   NI  pays for state oap penstion , nhs ,   benefits . CURRENT GOVERTNMENT  dont look it like that . 
    I do believe that the point of this new policy is not to look back at what you paid but more to the future to carry out some level of work despite a disability that pays a wage from which the government need the NI and tax payments.
    Most disabled, and I count myself as one who are able to work to earn a living.
    I should also mention that your NI paymnts are National INSURANCE payments.
    Your State Pension is simply the proceeds from an INSURANCE policy set up by the government. They set an age that is considered to be an age when work should cease. As we are living longer then it is only right that the age of Retirement also gets longer.  
    I understand why people might think living longer then you need to retire later to balance the books but this is fiction, reality is poor economic choices, if proper financial  planning had been undertaken as realisation of the age gap growing between retirement and deaths.
    Or should men retire before woman as women's they out live men?
    This is simply a financial decision to take from the poor pot....or rather not put more into the beggers bowl.
    Why spend more on pensions for the people who really need them when you can just raise the age you get them...they could have means tested them. But that's not so popular with the core middle wealth voter.
    Just imo.
  • 2oldcodgers
    2oldcodgers Posts: 743 Connected
    g7iqj said:
    DISAGREE WITH THAT  I    lost lot freinds  last 5 - 10  years. most 48- 64 lot  C/ CANCER RELATED  LOT   never made retirntment .  Because covid , other reasons LIVING  age over last 3 years droped  was avg 75-85 , now 75- 80 . Age   75 was avg age 15 years back thats what system was  set up for.   
    Facts and figures to help you understand.
    The average age of death in 1970 was 71.71 years
    The average age of death in 2020 was 81.15 years

    The age male state pension in 1970 was at 65 years
    The age male state pension should have been in 2020 at least 73 years of age.

    This is saying that in 1970 the average male would have received 6.71 years of state pension. Consequently as we now live longer it is only right that the time spent receiving the State Pension should reflect that fact. Thus in 2020 the retirement age for the pension should have been 73!  

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