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  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    edited September 2023
    PIP Q9 is Talking, listening and understanding.

    Kind regards
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,054 Championing
    cheekylittlekoala said:
    PIP Q9 is Talking, listening and understanding.

    Kind regards

    This will be the form but that's not the descriptors. For the descriptors this would be communicating verbally, which is Activity 7. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/Migrated_Documents/adviceguide/pip-9-table-of-activities-descriptors-and-points.pdf

  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    I am really confused now.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,054 Championing
    edited September 2023
    cheekylittlekoala said:
    I am really confused now.

    The way the PIP2 form is laid out is slightly different to the actual descriptors. Q11 mixing with others on the PIP2 form is engaging with others face to face, which is descriptor 9. The questions for the daily living part in the form start at Q3 and finish at Q12, which is 10 activities. There's 10 daily living activities, starting at 1 and finishing at 10.

    Mobility in the form are Q13 and Q14. The mobility activities are known as 1 and 2.
  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    When writing a MR do i use words like "Could" or do i use "Would".

    For example "I could cause harm" or would i use "I would cause harm".

    Thank you
  • Lottie1732
    Lottie1732 Community member Posts: 125 Empowering
    @cheekylittlekoala where you can, and if it makes sense, always use an active voice rather than a passive one. "Would" is passive in the sense that "I would recommend...". Why not "I recommend..."?

    In this context, perhaps you could say, "It is highly likely that I will cause harm" or "in this circumstance I am very concerned that I will cause harm".  "Will" is stronger in that way. 

    Do you see how it changes what you're saying to make it stronger but is still the truth and what you're trying to get across.  If in doubt, use "may" if you do need to take it down a notch.


  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,054 Championing
    I agree with Lottie here. I would refrain from using the word "could" because they can form their own opinion on this and could twist it to mean "this may not happen at all." If you can't do something regularly, reliably, then you're classed as not being able to do it at all.


  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    Will i still be expected to do work related activities during the MR? What if i am unable to do them?

    Kind regards
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,054 Championing
    Potentially yes, it will depend what your claimant commitments are. 
  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    I am totally confused... I just spoke to my Work Coach and i told her that i have put in a MR and then she said that our next appointment wouldn't be till December and i have no work related activities to do. 
  • Ray212
    Ray212 Community member Posts: 468 Empowering
    Could be using her discretion on the work related activities, when I was on LWC, I had to see them every 3 months which I believe is the maximum they can set
  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    Does anyone know what the percentage of getting LCWRA after a MR?

    Kind regards
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 59,054 Championing
    There's no stats for the UC WCA MRs. There's only stats for ESA MRs. However, the stats for UC WCA decisions are very similar to ESA and for this 53% of MR decisions are in the claimants favour. As they are similar i would say the MR decisions are similar too. You can see those here. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/esa-outcomes-of-work-capability-assessments-including-mandatory-reconsiderations-and-appeals-june-2023/esa-work-capability-assessments-mandatory-reconsiderations-and-appeals-june-2023#esa-wca-mandatory-reconsiderations-outcomes




  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    Why would my job centre Case Manager want to speak to me about my MR as i have already told them that i will post it?

    Kind regards
  • bg844
    bg844 Community member Posts: 3,883 Championing
    cheekylittlekoala said:
    Why would my job centre Case Manager want to speak to me about my MR as i have already told them that i will post it?

    Kind regards
    A Case Manager occasionally will make a phone call to a claimant to clarify information before making a new decision, nothing to worry about.
  • Jimm_Scope
    Jimm_Scope Posts: 4,297 Online Community Specialist
    Good luck with the Mandatory Reconsideration @cheekylittlekoala, I know it's a pretty stressful and the entire process from start to finish can be complex and confusing. If you need to ask more questions you know the community is always here :)
  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    Someone from Belfast Service Centre is telling me to:

    Please write a detailed request of why you would like an MR.

    Are they trying to bully me as this person is also telling me to write my MR in my journal and to upload any more evidence via the link..

    Ive already told someone from the service centre that i want a MR and i was going to Post it. Can they not see pervious messages.

    I am getting very frustrated and cross now!!

  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    edited September 2023
    I got my assesment back it doesn't tell me which descriptors i met or didn't meet or any points, there was also discrpences in what the "Nurse" wrote. also the assesment said Harmful information not to be shared. What would the harmful information mean?

    They got information from my GP and listed old illnesses in my report and said they discussed it with me when they didn't and was totally irrelevent.

    She also wrote on my report that i watch tv on my phone for hours!!

    Kind regards
  • cheekylittlekoala
    cheekylittlekoala Community member Posts: 117 Contributor
    edited September 2023
    So how am i ment to put in for a MR if my assesment report doesn't show what i didn't meet?

    This is getting too stressful and i feel like just giving up.
  • Hannah_Alumni
    Hannah_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,906 Championing
    Hello @cheekylittlekoala

    According to Citizen's Advice, when you challenge the decision:
    To ask for a mandatory reconsideration you can:
    • write a message in your Universal Credit online account, if you have one
    • write a letter or call the DWP - check the contact details on your decision letter

    It's usually better to use your Universal Credit account, fill in the form or write a letter. This means you can keep a record of why you disagree with the decision and prove you asked for it to be looked at again.

    But when I searched for how to in Belfast I am afraid I hit a brick wall. I am unsure if it is the same procedure. I would suggest reaching out to Citizen's Advice for further clarification. 

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