About the PM's (Sunak's) speech: Stop demonising us

Catherine21

Thankyou

poppy123456

You're welcome.

Andi66

Hopefully if Labour does simpfly UC they change not getting extra like you do on ESA.

Catherine21

I cannot get my head around it all I don't understand numbers as it is do you get 900 a month esa ? And if you are do we end up losing 140 a month ?

Catherine21

I'm sorry for going on just trying to understand how much lose so know what ti expect

Andi66

If you are in the support group on UC you get £138 a week, just looked it up

I be getting less than my esa with disabilities

Catherine21

Catherine21

Cass Cass I can't answer this as don't know full circumstances.

But a single person on income related esa support group will have

393.45 single element
416.19 lcwra
140.97 transactional payment protection

=953.58 a month

Then rent element if applicable.

Council tax separate

Catherine21

I got lady ti break down

Amaya_Ringo

I honestly don't think things will actually change re: getting people into work, because they're not looking enough at the system that is keeping disabled people out. It isn't just about giving extra time in an interview or even talking about adjustments after appointment, but changing the recruitment process to be more inclusive from the get-go.

Even stupid small things like closing an application early or insisting on an interview to judge candidates on points rather than looking at experience and qualifications or offering trial periods can be barriers. Most employers, even those who mean well, don't really understand what accessible means even in the workplace. And then, if you ask for help with something, somehow it ends up being made to feel like you are causing a nuisance, rather than just wanting to be able to do your job.

I am not sure what government will be able to do about this without massive funding, which the country does not have. And I don't expect much from LAs, since my LA is a part of the problem in my case, as their messing with local bus transport has cost me multiple opportunities even to apply :/

Catherine21

I never thought I'd say keep the old system I've never touchwood had a problem with WCA but I suppose it because don't do well with change and uncertainty so where as the tories would have changed the WCA knowing it wouldn't work maybe leaving it impossible for us hopefully labour won't I don't know if you seen the reply from labour that I received was talking more of getting people into work god I drive myself and everyone insane around really appreciate this group for putting up with me

Catherine21

Honestly I'm 52 remember when I was a child my mum shouting at tv everytime thatcher came on telly we was poor poor no washing machine phone scrapping 50p for TV and electric meter no central heating just coal fire sounds like dickens days I suppose I'm scared to go back to those days keeping myself in my own world own bubble away from society I'm grateful for benefits I don't take for granted literally they are life and death for us they really used us in the election also sunak upset what the suppose actor said but the Conservatives have been causing divide for years not that I agree with what was said but that's karma you create hate be expected to get it back like we've had sick note Britain scroungers anxiety depression a mild illness taking from taxpayers if you can work you will work !! Sickening try living a day in our shoes saying worried for his daughters what about mothers who have to go to food banks cant buy shoes for thier kids get over it we have to stomach alot more than that and saying get it investigated well investigate billions stolen and the discrimination towards disabled elderly single mums and the barbaric system of UC

Cantilip

"I honestly don't think things will actually change re: getting people into work, because they're not looking enough at the system that is keeping disabled people out." @Amaya_Ringo

And the state of the NHS ensuring people stay too sick and disabled to work. Very angry father writing in The Times last week:

One of our lads is off to Glastonbury this week. I don’t know who is more excited, him or us.

Us probably. He’s got all the uncertainty of accessibility passes and transport and whether it all holds up, and he holds up. We’re just looking at a young man able to live life again. I’ll explain.

About nine, ten months ago, he started getting hip pain. Started when he played football, which he did two, three times a week, but then it began affecting other forms of exercise, running, even walking. And we thought, bursitis, maybe a sports injury. But it persisted, getting worse, until he could barely walk at all. And so he went for an MRI.

You probably won’t have heard of avascular necrosis, also known as osteonecrosis. We hadn’t. It’s vanishingly rare. The blood supply to the joint dies. No one knows why. So the bone begins to die too. And the pain becomes excruciating. It needs heavy-duty painkillers, the type that preclude work. Ultimately, the hip needs to be replaced. Except doctors don’t like replacing hips in active 27-year-olds. So we found a surgeon who performed a procedure called core decompression with bone grafting. The recovery is very protracted and painful. There will be times when patients wonder why they didn’t just replace the hip. But, if it works, it arrests the problem for a while.

Although that’s not the point. Before we found this surgeon, before we paid, there was an NHS consultation. And this is what my 27-year-old son was told. That they don’t do core decompression; but they also don’t replace hips until it is absolutely necessary. So wait. Could be two years, could be five, could be ten or twenty. Eventually a critical stage would be reached and he’d be put on the list for a new hip. My lad asked about periods of remission, what he might be able to do? Gym, run, walk? The doctor looked at him. “Sitting’s all right,” he said.

So that was the NHS advice for a healthy, active, twentysomething: sit in a chair, in pain, on opioids, unable to work, unable to function, unable to exercise, possibly getting high blood pressure, possibly getting type 2 diabetes, letting your young life pass away, until your hip crumbles and you’re in agony.

And before this column next appears there is a general election. So someone’s got to go.

Catherine21

Cass Cass I can't answer this as don't know full circumstances.

But a single person on income related esa support group will have

393.45 single element

416.19 lcwra

140.97 transactional payment protection

=953.58 a month

Then rent element if applicable.

Council tax separate

kiwicherry8

Hi All! Hope you are as well as can be with all this kicking off. Thank you for your kind words many, many pages ago. @Catherine21 sorry, to hear about your dog and @SummerLove sorry, to hear about your companion. We are still heart broken and understand. Sorry, If I have missed anyone else out and sorry some of you feel the same and are still waiting for some "help". I am still waiting for help. I really hope we have some better news after Thursday and I have been avoiding it all as best as I can. I am still very worried/upset about things in general.

The looking at your bank statement thing - that has been mentioned on here. They have already been doing it for a long time it is not a new thing.

Catherine21

I'm glad people waking up well had no choice it was in our face I never took interest in politics until the day I caught something ref to disabled and I've gone down rabbit hole I'm no good at writing spelling numbers struggle to understand at times id say first time in my life sat and watched them I thought is this a joke thier arguing like school kids was shocked but then I watches Biden!!! I thought what is going on in this world but trump did male me laugh with his response to Biden oh I need to chill out sorry guys everyday I been on here thankyou everyone I do appreciate you all ps I got to stop messaging labour I'm all or noting

poppy123456

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/882963#Comment_882963

That's not correct because those figures for UC would mean you would receive less than you're receiving now claiming ESA because yours includes the SDP. When you migrate across you won't be any worse off. Your Transitional protection will be more than you quoted here.

poppy123456

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/882947#Comment_882947

That's not correct either. When you migrate to UC if you're in the Support Group for ESA then your UC will include the LCWRA element from the start of your claim. So it would include standard allowance, LCWRA element, housing element (if you claim for help with the rent) and also Transitional Protection (if entitled) so you won't be worse off when you migrate across.

Catherine21

Oh OK I get 900 a month esa I won't keep going on about it I'm doing my own head in let alone anyone else thanks for your patience

Catherine21

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