Pip changing to vouchers ??
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I do get both points , but I have to be honest and say that you were very lucky to have your post left on , I was happy to read your post and I do pray that what scope have said is right , I'd like to trust them , thank you for posting it as it is positive and we all need positivity don't we . I think this subject is really difficult as we are left in limbo and it is not healthy for anyone and lots on here have anxiety and mental health including myself .
I think words can get taken out of context , sometimes it is hard to read the intent .
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@AKR in relation to your comment, I can rip apart your comment
- Bill to vote upon, you do realise that this has been discussed in the house of lords already, it was being discussed when the Conservatives were in power.
- Each stage can take days, weeks, or even months, depending on the complexity and controversy of the bill. On average, it can take several months for a bill to pass through all stages in the House of Commons12. However, in urgent situations, a bill can be fast-tracked and passed in as little as a day3.
- Welfare reform act 2012 Universal Credit: This act introduced Universal Credit, a single payment that replaced six means-tested benefits and tax credits, aiming to simplify the system and encourage work
- 16,000 responses to the green paper, not a lot of people is it when we are told that you have millions on the sick and inactive. The green paper was not even a tick box exercise, something simple such as do you want PIP payments to stop yes or no.
- Do you mean the same charitable organisations that receive Government grants and tax breaks which allows for charity shops to spring up everywhere, which allows fat cats to earn a quarter of a million pounds a year, which allows them to employee volunteers and people from training courses forced into working for them, because it is work experience.
- So do you honestly think that the Government cannot cook the books? Do you honestly think that they work for the people? Do you honestly think that you live in a free and democratic society, just because you are given the right to vote? Do you honestly think that Labour who before they were elected rejected PIP vouchers, yet so far they have not ruled them out, they have come up with a 20 billion black hole story.
You do realize that Conservatives put this into place, which they knew was not popular, Labour say what they want to say to get elected, I am even voted to stop this, to get the Conservatives out. Yet, no public horror, or sob stories from charities that are given grants is going to change what happens.
Do you think that the ECHR or the UN are going to come to our rescue? The same thing is happening all across Europe, it is not just the UK. I mean look at America, look at how many homeless they have, people living in tents, begging for food and money.
It would be easy enough to solve all those problems, but it does not make economic sense for them to do so. However, plenty of money to spend on war, oh guess what because they all have the same stocks and shares in a company called black rock, which owns a lot of smaller companies. The catholic church also had stocks and shares in the war and weapons industry until they got found out. Why do you think that these politicians are multi millionaires?
Do you honestly think that they care about us?
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No they don't could it be possible That pip will eventually be the main health benefit
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I don't know why but I'm not worried anymore everyone has different opinions but as humans when we don't know the outcome of things especially something as serious as this we try to break it down we can either blow it all out of proportion or hope for the best my mental health been to ground going to have to keep myself strong to fight any battle when I look back om my life I cannot believe what I've overcome being in a protective bubble for years isolation it had to come around where have to face the demons fk it what will be will be we haven't got a crystal ball for sure we will now pm 30th that's when the hard work begins
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@stay_positive You are lucky but unlucky really. In some respects life has been very kind to you, but also the downsides.
As the saying goes, there is always someone worse off than yourself. At least you have the option of selling the house and then moving into somewhere cheaper to live. Sadly, you have people that do not have that option. So despite not wanting to sell your home, where you are happy to, but if push comes to shove, you are in a position to downgrade and still have a home.
My worse fear is being homeless, and ending up on the streets and my exit strategy was to go to Gibraltar and just live on the streets. At least it is warm, if I do not get deported back to England.
I too have worked all of my life, and in the forces when I was 20 serving Queen and Country to see it being destroyed and it's people that I put on a uniform to serve and protect having to go through this. I knew all of this was coming, but never expected it in my life time.
If I am desperate enough, I might qualify for some form of pension as my lungs were damaged serving during the first gulf war and a lot of my trade either have COPD or worse lung cancer, one of my old Cpls died at 60 years of age from cancer. I cannot run, I cannot do press ups, so I have no chance of working in a manual job, and as my mind has gone pretty much in that I can look at a microwave meal and see how long to cook it for, by the time I get it to the microwave I have forgotten.
I have even got that desperate I started gambling, thinking that I could win enough to cover the basics, but ended up losing money that I could not afford to lose.
Sadly, the DWP and the Government will take you down one way or another, my uncle who worked all his life, paying for a mortgage lost the family home, so went back to the banks, where really the Government should have been saying, well hang on, we can invest in these properties buy them from the banks for peanuts, put them as council houses and charge the tenants to live there if they wish. He also died at 60 not even getting a pension.
So, you have more to hope for than most, so you have to keep that in your heart and hopefully it will help you through. It sounds like you have a good marriage and you are both helping each other through the tough times, so think of that as a blessing.
Life is like a book, the first chapter starts when we are born, and each new chapter is a blank page, that a lot of those chapters we are not in control of, but some we do have control of. You have the power to write the next chapter.
However, as you say, hopefully nothing happens to PIP so fingers crossed.
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Thanks for your confused insight.
Honestly? I'll stick to the foundations provided by my education and lengthy legal career.
Vis a vis any comment I make on any subject I choose to comment on - you've got more chance of ripping apart a blood thirsty lion rampaging toward you….!
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@AKR ok legal eagle, I was a multi billionaire space astronaut from the other side of the galaxy. You will know me as Elon Musk, I have human form, but I am a shape shifter.
Lengthy legal career and you are on scope website? You should be made of money and not in need of help from Scope, but ok.
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That's rather patronising @Needhelpandadvice, it's a community forum, people from all walks of life use it to talk to other people and for many other reasons too. Honestly what are you hoping to achieve with your posts??
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@Biblioklept Really I honestly am Elon Musk, don't you believe me? Sorry, you have hurt my feelings now, alien life forms matter.
You have hurt my feelings. Shame on you.
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Whats this about your ego ?
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Thanks again.
Unfortunately my career was cut short. And you mistakenly assume all lawyers are "made of money" - a rather stereotypical view. So I am not sure what your point is, and frankly many people would be pleased to have someone who specialised in discrimination law (amongst other disciplines) as a member of this forum. Particularly a former employment tribunal advocate.
To illustrate, by way of example, your widespread misconceptions included in your post(s):-
The Welfare Reform Act 2012 doesn't just deal with UC. It also makes provision for PIP:-
Welfare Reform Act 20122012 CHAPTER 5An Act to make provision for universal credit and personal independence payment; to make other provision about social security and tax credits; to make provision about the functions of the registration service, child support maintenance and the use of jobcentres; to establish the Social Mobility and Child Poverty Commission and otherwise amend the Child Poverty Act 2010; and for connected purposes. (emphasis added)
and under the aforementioned Act, a statutory instrument, namely:-
The Social Security (Personal Independence Payment) Regulations 2013sets out the framework for the operation of PIP (the clue being provided by the words in the brackets after The Social Security….
I trust you will enjoy the rest of your evening - presumably you are still adjusting to life back on earth after your cosmic travels ?
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Feelings are being hurt all over this forum so it seems, mine were just hurt over the Trump thread. I like him and yet the thread was allowed to stay , I have family in America who love him so this really deeply hurt me , surly it should be noted that politics is only allowed for some and not others ?
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More like benny Hill
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I've sent you a message , did you see the video's I sent you ?
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That's a little harsh don't you think? Anyone can join scope forum and post when ever they want to and I don't think it's right that you're judging them this way.
I speak as I find and have always found @AKR to be extremely helpful, well mannered and very pleasant.
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@AKR I really am Elon Musk, a space alien from the other side of the galaxy, can we please get that straight. I might have to get a discrimination lawyer myself at this rate.
However, I could argue that Santa Clause is real, because I was told that he was as a child.
I could copy and paste and use AI all night to post legislations etc etc.
However, child poverty act? LoL when you have parents that are going without food, just so that they can feed their children? I spoke to a woman, yes a real woman not a blow up one, who was living on beans on toast or going without food so her Children can have something to eat.
I have known other women, that done illegal activities to feed their Children.
Sadly, what you believe is real, is all fake and made up, British natural born British have less rights than someone that came into this Country via a rubber dinghy.
Where are the human rights lawyers for us? Oh they don't exist.
What the previous Government and what this Government will do equates to genocide.
Where is the justice for homeless British people, especially people who like myself put on a uniform to serve and protect this Country, but are living on the streets with PTSD?
The Government are not your friend, the pantomime that you watch on TV, they are all best buddies in the house of commons bar when the camera's are turned off.
You can trust me on that one, I know a lot of people ranging from CID, RPO's and above from my life experience.
I could solve this Countries problems within a year. The Governments of the past have had decades but they are all about themselves, which is why they are all multi millionaires.
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I haven't read this because I don't really have any more time for your imbecilic tirades. It's quite sad and embarrassing for you. I wish you the best.
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I actually think that Needhelpandadvice made some home truths in his post , he said what others including myself dare not mention especially about the illegal boats .
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@Needhelpandadvice you're really not doing yourself any favours, I get you're angry and frustrated at the system, we all are, but please don't project that anger onto all of us, we're all here meddling through and being screwed over by the system same as everyone else.
We may have different opinions on the answer, or the cause, but we're all on the same side.
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@Biblioklept How can we be on the same side? To give an example
You say refugee's welcome here, which means that tax payers money and welfare are paid to them
I say refugee's not welcome here, because I want to protect British people who's parents, grandparents and themselves have paid hundreds of years of taxation into this Country?
I could be a person, a human being from Iran let's say as an example, with a disabled child, I could come across, claim welfare, get free housing, I could have enough money to send back to Iran.
Do you not see the real issue? Instead of British tax payers paying for someone from Iran, do you not think that the Iran Government should be paying instead?
What taxation has that person paid into the UK system? None, how much will they claim, thousands, hundreds of thousands. Will the person work and help pay for it? I doubt it, a disabled child to look after.
Parents die, still a disabled child to look after from our system.
A simple question, you are at the beach, your Son/Daughter is being carried away by the sea, and a random stranger is also in the same difficulty, but the random stranger is closer than your Son or Daughter.
Whom do you save? You can only save one person, your child or a random stranger?
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