October 7th - diary date
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So it appears we'll have to wait for the Get Britain Working White Paper ( to be published this Autumn ) for detail on how those on ill health out of work benefits will be asked to engage with Job Centre Plus. As for PIP, no mention was made of where we stand in terms of the recent consultation.
The Budget on the 30th will obviously be the day we hear about the financial implications - new benefit rates etc.
All in all we remain in the dark regarding the future of PIP, WCA, LCW, LCWRA, ESA & Carer's Allowance
Pensioners on the other hand know exactly where they stand in terms of the Winter Fuel Payment.
Disappointing to say the least.
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Wanting to get 80 per cent back to work? How does that work do you think thier carry on with wca how tories suggested is that all up and running from 2025
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80 percent? Get Britain Working
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Why don't they say about volunteering instead. One of my conditions is chronic and the weather effects my breathing and lungs. Don't know what work I'm supposed to do. Also fatigue that I need to sleep . Very let down by Timms response today
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Me to at one point said that includes all disabled people this is unbearable even the saying Get Britain Working
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I agree - it feels a lot like the unemployed being told to ' Get on yer bike ' - those of a certain age might remember this phrase from the Thatcher era.
Best wishes
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Vaguely, but why are they picking on disabled, they must know we aren't capable of working. Wish I knew what's happening to pip . They treat us as 2nd class nothing.
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One of the things we at Scope want is for attitudes from employers to change. It's not an easy thing certainly, but it would go a long way to help disabled people.
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This is scary for many, many of us. Without PIP I as I realise many others are going to succumb to even more challenges/difficulties. I never thought a Labour would do such a heartless, callous, uncaring thing. Many will needlessly suffer.
I have physical health issues and psychological problems too. We don't know what is going to happen yet, but it has definitely exacerbated my anxiety and related issues. I am currently being seen as being of greater vulnerability/threat to myself and my welfare and have been put on a list relating to this with social services & community mental health (sorry I know there is a proper name for it, but escapes me).
I am worried sick. Not sleeping or eating.
Frightening times for many.
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It really is pls remember they can't change over night got good advice from this group it would take years to change and has to go through so many processes I'm so sorry I felt like you did last year it's horrendous pls try to eat little and often build your strength back up totally understand the fear
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it’s always the same with whatever government comes in of whatever colour. They make bold statements and threats even but in the end nothing really changes. They know they can’t magic sick people into work but they have to make the right noises. In the meantime the sick and disabled are castigated for something they can do little or nothing about. Disgraceful behaviour as usual.
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I'll repost this here..
At the end of the day no matter what is mentioned in the budget or this white paper anything that requires major law changes and is controversial will take a long time to complete the process through both parliamentary houses, will likely also be amended and then eventually need trialling.
a white paper is just at that stage a wish list of what they HOPE they can put into law to test the waters to see what backlash comes,where from and for what parts.
It then goes to a bill and starts the process.
Kendall herself stated back in july "these changes won't happen overnight" and other comments during her conference such as "the years ahead" "ten year plan"
so nothing is happening after the budget for quite some time, with enough fuss anything dodgy will likely get dropped along the way anyway.
They are rather deluded and unrealistic and Most of what we already have heard as "ideas" won't work especially vouchers and engaging. Many groups can't engage and discrimination for stopping or threatening to stop payments for an illness someone can't control because they can't comply and their limitations will have bad results for the government.
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Thank You for Your kind words. Helps so much
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This really helps and hopefully will help others too. Thank You
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you're welcome.
@Ralph absolutely spot on, it's the same circle which I posted last week in a thread.
Threats > Vulnerable people sick with worry> Plans announced> backlash> amendments> unworkable> business as usual
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99% of me is terrified. The other 1% tells me that there always has to be PIP (or something very like it) and that there has to be an ESA Support Group/ LCWRA. I know adults with the physical and mental capacity of infants of two. There's no way they could seek work and the same is true for many severely and multiply disabled people without hope of getting better.
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@JonnycJonny and @Catherine21 I think they
intend that 80% of working age adults will be in employment not that 80% of non- working disabled people will be "forced" into work.2 -
That's my view too
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can someone catch me up with the news of the day (been off the web all day):
No one has really written a summary or even coherent snippets
some seem upset with something Stephen timms said
Some seem to be talking like pip’s going to be axed
And the comment on wanting 80% to go into work - I think that 80% is referring to the labour aim mentioned a month or so ago is the goal of having 80% of working age Brits (16-66 state pension age) in some sort of employment……..which for the record that 80% has never been achieved by any government so it’s a tall order (not 80% of all working age disabled in employment unless timms said something new………it’s an impossible goal bcos even if they pressure the disabled they can’t pressure employers to hire disabled employees if they don’t want to)
I do think that many on scope need to understand why we seem to be in this perfect storm and be more realistic and open on the things they could be able to do in the right circumstances and with the right help (human based, financial and physical aid based help)That being said the government need to be significantly more realistic on their own goals because based on the snippets we have so far, as my father puts it “what planet are they on…..” needless to say I haven’t heard anything yet to suggest the relevant labour dwp figures have more of a clue than their Tory counterparts (spoiler….i don’t think they do) - I mean today Kendall several times today seems to have suggested that you have to apply for pension credit via your local council (I think you have to apply for pension credit via dwp……………..Kendall has poorly briefed herself if I’ve understood that right)
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