The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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She said the review that would be tailored to the individual. How does that work ?
Esa and jsa combined time limit is scary what does that mean and when will that come in
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hmm a lot to read. If this goes through then people like myself with epilepsy and only get mobility component because we don’t have a seizure every day, just a few times a week. Will they then lose the mobility component too on next review?
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That will dont worry, please give your worst days also those who care for you nd help you could get alot extra, take advice by asking admin on here
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I think you’re confusing New Style with the older CB ESA.
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surely the amount of pip claimants will rise ? I can see this being another DLA to PIP disaster
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please could someone explain to me regarding the new pip rules . I scored 25 points for daily living and was awarded the enhanced rate , I also scored 12 points for mobility and was awarded the enhanced rate . I have got pip untill march 2027, does this mean once I get reassessed in march 2027 if I scored the same I would still get pip ? Thanks as I’m so worried
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Yes it is part of the daily living. You'll be OK with the Mobility part as I'm pretty sure she said that will NOT be affected.
I'm going to lose my daily living as I score on 5 of them but only get 2s and 3s so that will be taken away.1 -
I hope it's OK to do this but I posted this in comments of the updates and I figured they might get lost. If it's against rules I'm sorry and I'll delete
I know a lot of infomation is coming very quick and I thought it might be helpful to try to post the green paper and a breakdown of it in a seperate discussion.
The green paper itself on the Gov.UK website:
I posted that I had AI break down and explain the green paper but I think it may get lost in the comments
What the green bill says - a summary:
The Main Changes Proposed
1. Scrapping the Work Capability Assessment (WCA)
The government plans to abolish the Work Capability Assessment that currently decides if someone is:
- Fit for work
- Has limited capability for work (LCW)
- Has limited capability for work and work-related activity (LCWRA)
Instead, they'll use the PIP assessment as the single assessment for determining eligibility for both PIP and the health element of Universal Credit.
2. Changes to PIP Eligibility
They plan to add a new requirement for PIP's daily living component: you must score at least 4 points in one single activity (not just add up smaller points across different activities). This will make PIP harder to get for people with multiple lower-level needs.
3. Changes to Universal Credit Rates
Starting April 2026:
- The standard UC allowance will increase by £7 per week for everyone
- For new claims, the health element (currently LCWRA) will be reduced from £97 to £50 per week
- For existing claimants, the health element will be frozen until 2029/30, but they'll get the increased standard allowance
4. More Support Conversations and Engagement
The government wants nearly everyone on health-related benefits to engage in periodic conversations about work, even if they're not required to look for work.
What This Means for People on PIP
Some people will lose PIP entitlement- If you currently get PIP daily living component but don't score at least 4 points in any single activity (instead adding up smaller points across activities), you may lose this benefit when reassessed.Single assessment process- You'll only need one assessment (PIP) rather than potentially two (PIP and WCA).You can try work without fear of reassessment- The government will put into law that working won't trigger a reassessment of your benefits.
What This Means for People on UC in the Support Group/LCWRA
For existing claimants:- Your payment level will be protected, though frozen until 2029/30
- You'll still get the increased standard allowance
- People with "severe, life-long conditions with no prospect of improvement" will never need reassessment
For new claimants after April 2026:- You'll receive a lower health element (£50 instead of £97 per week)
- However, those with severe, life-long conditions may get an additional premium to protect their income
More engagement expected:- Most people will be required to have periodic conversations about work
- There will be exemptions for some people, but these aren't fully defined yet
Other Key Proposals
New "Unemployment Insurance"- A higher-rate but time-limited benefit for people who have paid National Insurance contributions.Youth changes- They're considering:- Delaying access to the UC health element until age 22
- Raising the age for moving from DLA for children to PIP from 16 to 18
£1 billion more for employment support- For personalized help for disabled people who want to work.Reforming Access to Work- The scheme that helps people with workplace adjustments will be revamped to support more people.
What Happens Next?
This is a Green Paper, which means it's a set of proposals that the government is consulting on. There's a 12-week consultation period where people can give feedback. Not all proposals will necessarily happen, and some may change.
The government plans to publish a White Paper later this year with final proposals before introducing legislation to implement the changes.
Most of these changes wouldn't take effect immediately -
————-I'm also aware a lot of people in LCWRA (myself included) are really scared, so I asked the AI to explain how it will specfically effect us:many are planned for 2026-2029, with the scrapping of the WCA scheduled for 2028/29.What the green paper says specifically about LCWRA & PIP/UC:
I've also asked it (AI) to spell out what this will mean specifically for people in the LCWRA (support) group and receive both UC/ESA and PIP as I think that's quite a lot of us here that can't work.
This is what the AI summerised it will mean for our group (again if I'm wrong to post this I'm sorry and I'll delete) :
Short-Term (Next 1-2 Years)
No immediate changes to your payment amountsWCA reassessments restarting- if you haven't had a reassessment since before COVID, you might be called for oneFace-to-face assessments more likely- currently only 7% of assessments are face-to-face, but the government plans to increase thisPIP assessments may be recordedas standard
Medium-Term (2026-2027)
Your LCWRA payment will be protected- the government has guaranteed that existing LCWRA claimants won't see their UC health element reducedYour UC standard allowance will increase(by about £7 per week)Your LCWRA payment will be frozenuntil 2029/30 (won't increase with inflation)You will need to have periodic conversationsabout work and support, though you won't be required to search for jobsIf you have a "severe, life-long condition with no prospect of improvement"you may be exempted from future reassessments entirely
For Your PIP
If you score at least 4 points in at least one daily living activity(not just adding up smaller points across activities), your PIP should continueIf you don't score 4+ points in any single activity, you could lose the daily living component when reassessed
Longer-Term (2028-2029)
The WCA will be scrapped- you'll only need a PIP assessment, not separate assessments for PIP and UC/ESAYour UC health element entitlement will be based on your PIP award- if you qualify for PIP daily living, you'll qualify for the UC health element
Key Assurances in the Proposals
Working won't trigger a reassessment- this will be enshrined in lawIf you have a severe, life-long condition, you may never need to be reassessed againIf you try work and it doesn't work out, you should be able to return to your previous benefit level
Reality Check
These are proposals in a Green Paper, not confirmed changes. After the consultation period, some may be modified or abandoned. The most significant changes like scrapping the WCA aren't planned until 2028/29, and a general election or other factors could change these plans before they're implemented.
The most immediate concern would be whether you qualify under the new PIP 4-point rule when you're next reassessed. If you already score at least 4 points in at least one daily living activity (rather than adding up smaller points across different activities), this shouldn't affect your eligibility.
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It was interesting to watch Liz Kendal announce these plans in real time. Even the few good things in these proposals (such as the Right to Try and stopping reassessments for those whose conditions will not change) are potentially promising but are not enough - even if they're executed flawlessly.
Where is there:
- mandatory rise in the national living wage to at least £17 an hour outside London (and £25 inside of London), so the state doesn't top up employers paying poverty wages
- right to remote work from day 1, so employers cannot decline in almost all situations
- explicit definitions on what are reasonable vs unreasonable adjustments backed up in law, so employers cannot refuse adjustments
- The support and infrastructure required to enforce the Equality Act. As it stands, disabled people ar required to enforce it themselvesl something we dont have the money or capacity to do
- cancellation of the assisted dying bill, so the disabled people that inevitably fall though the cracks aren't coerced into unaliving themselves (whether themselves or at Dignitas) because the state has made them believe they're a burden
- the end of Right to Buy, alongside mass social home rebuilding to shrink the private rental market, incuding heavy regulatino on landlords and buying property empires for council housing
- more support to move people into jobs that AI will not evantually replace
- an end to austerity, properly funding all services so people have the extra support outside the DWP, especially health and social care
refusal to do the above, and more, makes these plans unfit for purpose and further reinforces all the negativity people have around these plans.
Also baring under-22s from extra money for their health under UC plans is literal ageism, and onyl further shows the British state's contempt for young people.
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I think it's pretty bad. It's sugar coated, but it's pretty bad. Everything being on PIP assessment will effect many people, anyone who isn't eligible for PIP, but is on LCWRA is going to lose everything, anyone who is qualifying for PIP but isn't scoring highly on any descriptor sounds in the same boat.
The freezing of LCWRA is also disgraceful, effectively you are saying these people are not fit to work, but you are freezing their benefits anyway, why? There is no moral argument for that, it's just pure cost cutting, targeting the most vulnerable in society.
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So sorry that your wife was struggling. Sadly all those supporting such proposals consider disabled people suffering like this a success.
Only seperating the UK media and political spheres will stop this leak culture from happening.
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Not had a read yet and not sure when I will, but Labour are becoming more confident, a minister admitted its about ideology as much as finances, saying there is a belief amongst modern Labour, that assessments should be frequent, and more people should be working.
A cruel cruel party carrying on from where they left off when they introduced ESA and LHA.4 -
I in same situation. There were questions I should have received 4 in but instead received 2 . But as long as you get the required amount for an award you let it go . Now at next assessment I’ll have to go to MR if I don’t get a 4 and I think I should.
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I didn't realize New Style ESA was different to CB ESA.
I'm pretty sure on New Style ESA so not sure where that leaves me.
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The number of PIP claimants will rise regardless because capitalism innately disables people and throws them onto the scrapheap when they're too ill to work anymore.
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The new four point rule for the daily living component of PIP is going to crucify millions.
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Someone in the previous thread said that although LCWRA itself is frozen until 2029-2030, the UC rate for everyone will go up by about £7 a week next year.
So does that mean that although the LCWRA base rate will stay the same, everybody will still get that £7 - Even us on the LCWRA rate?2 -
Absolutely, I'm in northern Ireland but I realise no matter what differences are social security system may have to England, the funding per head will still be the equivalent to England's. So it'll be up to the devolved administrations of Belfast and Scotland to implement them or have their block grants cut. Personally I can't see it, why would they cut their block grants further. Our benefits in NI including PIP are similar to England's so easier to work out, will be tougher for Scotland as you don't have PIP, but I'd be shocked if the Scotish ADP eligibility wasn't effected as a consequence
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Whole thing is disgusting. For many there are more things to go through to get LCWRA than there are PIP and some things are not interchangeable.
It's a right shower.
No one is safe, not even people who think they have enough points on pip for the moment. With reforms coming eventually to pip reviews, who knows whats going to change in points then.
This is a money saving excersise at the expensive of the disabled, plain and simple
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