The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Hi you are right. People who claim carers allowance to help care for people who claim pip will also lose their carers allowance on the 4 point rule. The government know this so they are also cutting carers allowance in a cruel sneaky way.
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Hi Andi, I'm the same, my review is due in 2032 and my health will only get worse over time, from what I understand the 4 point rule will only be applied at someones next review (after Nov 2026) although they hint that there 'may' be some flexibility or other help for some existing claimants but they also said long term will never have to have review… The reality is they haven't actually clarified who it is that wont ever have to have a review, so I don't think anyone really knows all the details yet…. I'm not sure if they do !!
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Thanks I'll have a look I'm not good with the ins and outs, the ramifications etc like what will happen if your on this or that along with pip, dates etc it's all so overwhelming.
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I’ve just been given a 10 year fixed term award on MR so not light touch but I guess at least a recognition that my difficulties are longer term. I sent evidence to show my disability is considered to be permanent and said I believed I met the criteria for an ongoing award but 🤷🏻♀️
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not only will they lose carers allowance but they’ll have to work leaving the government to care for these 1 million disabled they want off pip . So instead of paying £1 an hour they’ll be paying £10-£15 per hour. They haven’t thought this through. Notice they haven’t changed mobility as they don’t want to upset motability and put them out of business. So again discrimination against the ppl who need care .
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I went to MR for an increase in award and said to my legal advisor about asking for an extension. He said no not all at once let’s see what happens. He messed my new evidence up and I lost MR , when I called dwp to explain and asked about tribunal they instantly contacted the case manager who looked again and award me highest . I think had I requested they look at length of award I may of got it . Well done to you as at least you don’t have this worry right now x
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Agreed. My income is CB-ESA and PIP. I'm not eligible for UC. I live alone without family. I'm scared still. I'm currently polishing draft letters to various parliamentarians.
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They don't, one of the questions on the new pip test dosent make sense, the one that you have trouble washing below waist and hair. Surely it should mean above.
Also what is light touch review?
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I think I read that you need atleast one category to score a 4, Then you need another 4 points in the other categories to make up a minimum of 8 points. I'm not sure if I'm right though.
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Technically I don’t have to worry for a few years but I’m still terrified! I have filled in the green paper consultation and enjoyed telling them (politely) what I think of them
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yes I need to get that filled out . Hopefully by the time yours is due again things won’t be as bad . I’m sure some of these reforms aren’t even legal
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Morning summer love ,
I read this morning the dwp have a report which explains why there has been an increase in pip applications but they’re refusing to release it until after the spring budget . So they’re bringing in reforms to basically stop ppl claiming and telling the public it’s MH ADHD Autism being used as a way to lie to get pip . Yet they have answers which they won’t tell us . I’m sure that will look good in court.
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I think you only need to score 1 descriptor 4 points for the daily living component.
and others that add to 8
Please try not to worry to much about this (i know easier said than done :-( ) we hope any legal challenges these plans get put in the trash.
As for reassessments, the backlog will be massive right now so when you do get ESA/UC50 forum to fill in it could take many months to be heard.
Everything is rushed right now while having everyone on ESA/IB on UC by April 2026 and assessments to will only cause more problems for the DWP
This won't save them money this way.
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No they can't.
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hello everyone and of course (like you) I am very saddened but not surprised at the proposed approach the labour government is taking towards the sick and disabled. Personally I worked for 35 years (14 of which were with severe pain) until it became too much for me and I retired through ill health. I claim contribution based esa (support group) and am worried (like so many others) that this will be taken away from me. Anyway i read something this morning about ESA and the proposed “New Insurance” that I had not seen anywhere else (my apologies if everyone else is aware and I’ve just been a little slow on the uptake) but I could not find any information as to when Labour are planning (subject to the so called consultation) to bring this new insurance in to replace the contribution based support group and an article in disability news (see below for web address) states:
“From 2028, ministers also plan to end the indefinite entitlement to contributory employment and support allowance for those with a recent work record who have been assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity”
no idea if this is accurate / correct but if it is at least it would give people claiming this benefit a few more years to prepare (if possible) subject to any reassessment that could possibly occur during now and I assume April 2028.Hope this maybe helps someone and if not then apologies for posting that people were already aware of.
Best wishes to you all during this very worrying time xx
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How offer do you have to have one of them on UC ?
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NS ESA and CB ESA in the support group, for those worrying (including me!) I know the below statement is vague and needs clarifying but I take some comfort that this is not talking about those of us with life long conditions (I.e.indefinite ESA payments) because it’s does specifically say “for those with temporary and short-term health conditions”.
53. Unemployment insurance would be a new non-means tested entitlement for people who have contributed into the system. It would be created by replacing contribution-based Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) and Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) with a new single entitlement, paid at the current ESA rate (currently £138pw) and will be time-limited. This would provide stronger income 54. Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory
ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming). Those unemployed after the time-limited period would be able to claim UC, depending on their personal circumstances. We believe this reform would align with the removal of the WCA, by offering a route to financial support for those with temporary and short-term health conditions, including for those who may not be entitled to PIP and therefore not entitled to the health element of UC. during periods of unemployment for those with a recent work record, while revitalising the ‘something-for-something’ contributory principle in the working-age system. People claiming this would be expected to actively seek work, with easements for those with work-limiting health conditions.
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Thank you
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