The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Not a clue .…
Not an absolute f****** clue .…
I was on CBESA with IR top up before voulentarlly moving over to UC ....
I now get cbesa every two weeks , that may have turnt into new style ESA now that I have moved over , I'm not sure....
And get my UC award of 810 pounds at the end of each month from LCWRA.…
After deductions I get 210 UC every month ....
So from what I'm reading ....
Lcwra reassessment will be the same ( UC50 that's identical to esa50 ) ....
Lcwra descriptors will remain the same ....
I haven't had a reassessment since Nov 2019 ( that was for ESA as I hadn't moved to UC then ) ....
So I should expect a reassessment for lcwra in the next year .... ...............( Technically never been assessed for LCWRA as when I voulentarlly moved over I was already in ESA support group I automatically qualified for lcwra ) ...
So hopefully reassessment for ESA will be the same as for UC and I pass that as I have in the past , also meaning no 50 pound cut
Then in 2028 pip assessment will become the only assessment and will cover pip and LCWRA ....
I just done the test and scored 22 over all .... 🤷 For not cooking for daily , and scored the highest on social interaction on the other ....
Although I hear that they are going to make descriptors harder for this so I'll need to keep an eye on it
What I'm not sure about is cbesa / new style ESA merging with job seekers allowance 🤷.…
Will I be moved off cbesa and and put solely on to income related UC .... Will that still pay my stamp for pension ? .... No idea , will need to keep an eye on this too ....
Surely there will be adjustments to these ideas?
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If you need light relief and you have a sense of humour (don't we all) I suggest you read John Crace from the guardian.
My God they are going to have a fight on their hands I think.
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What does everyone think of them bringing in 'direct digital sharing of medical records'(with permission of the claimant) ?
I personally prefer to send in any medical evidence myself, in a way that focuses on my needs and disabilities .
Not sure how I feel about 'direct digital sharing' between NHS and DWP.
Fair enough that it needs the claimant's permission but if any of us were to refuse it would obviously be detrimental to our claim.
I like to be in control of the evidence provided...but that's just me.
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Since you're waiting for your UC50 form and still need to provide more fit notes, your assessment will follow the current rules. They’ll check how your health affects your ability to work or do work-related activities. Your claim will be reviewed under the current system, as the changes being discussed here won’t take effect for over a year, if they happen at all.
For questions about your current claim, it’s best to repost in the Benefits and Income category, where someone more familiar with the system can give you more specific advice. This thread is focused on the recent green paper, so your questions might be missed here.
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I got 3 for needing assistance.
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I haven't heard anything about 'digital sharing' of medical records with the DWP
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I don't rate the idea for DWP use. Records regarding my disabilities date back almost fifty years and are a convoluted mess, full of misdiagnosis and medics personal remarks that are as hazardous as a PIP or ESA assessor's vacuous thought. I have all my records scanned and present only what is relevant, annotating what is inaccurate. Moreover, these days doctors are writing scantily.
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Can someone tell me are the pip descriptors going to be changed when it takes over from wca in 2028 ? Or will they stay the same as they are now
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I'm unable to walk without a boot and crutches, stand for what would be classed as a normal amount of time or sit with my leg down. I have CRPS. My foot hardly moves, goes numb, burns, swells, is incredibly painful, causes me to stumble, sometimes I can't move, sleep the list goes on but I'm scared I will end up with nothing and all the years I've worked to build up savings to give me security will be taken away because I won't qualify for UC and I will have to use all my savings to live. What an absolute **** show, working pays, what a joke. In their plans you get help for a limited time then sorry you have too much money you get nothing. Working doesn't pay, having nothing gets you more. I need to think of a way to earn some money to try and save, may I ask what crafts you sell. I'm very arty and crafty, I can't go out to work so this might be something I can do from home to earn some money. Any advice or help from you would be appreciated
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Hi @Danny123 It appears that changes to the PIP descriptors will only be determined after the current proposals are in force. The Green Paper states:
155. In future, under proposals set out in this Green Paper, the WCA will be scrapped, with the PIP assessment becoming the single assessment to receive both financial support in PIP and any extra financial support related to health and disability through UC. This places additional importance on the PIP assessment and making sure it remains fit for the future.
156. The PIP assessment needs modernising. It is over a decade since PIP was introduced, during which time there have been significant shifts in the nature of long-term conditions and disability, as well as changes in wider society and the workplace. People reporting mental health or neurodiverse conditions as their primary condition have increased more rapidly than those reporting other conditions, and increases in disability have been more marked among younger adults than older people, although older working-age people are still more likely to be disabled.
157. Therefore, we will launch a process to review the PIP assessment. This is a major undertaking which will take time and require extensive engagement, so any changes to the PIP assessment would only be introduced following the reforms set out in this Green Paper. To make sure we get this right, we will bring together a range of experts, stakeholders and people with lived experience to consider how best to do this and to start the process as part of preparing for a review. It will also provide an opportunity to consider how to extend the goals and approach set out as a result of this Green Paper through any future change to the PIP assessment. In particular, the ambition is to shape a system of active support that helps people manage and adapt to their long-term condition and disability in ways that expand their functioning and improve their independence.
I think we're looking into the next parliament
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Your past assessment doesn't matter to an extent. Things may have progressed within your fluctuating disabilities. When it comes to a review, you mention these new aspects—aka, now finding you're unable to wash your own hair due to x,y,z, etc…
Youre not locked in simply because you didnt score a 4 in a single example in the past for care
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I agree because I am n a similar position.
Its all so unfair.
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Hi none of us know that yet.
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@Zipz cheers mate .... I'm on CBESA or new style ESA not sure which , with lcwra .... God knows where it leaves me , from what I can work out nothing should really change for me other than being reassessed for lcwra , technically I've never been reassessed for lcwra as I moved voulentarlly over to UC so automatically got straight into lcwra group because I was in surport group , apparently the uc50 is identical to the ESA50 and I've always passed before , don't think there changing descriptors on the UC50 so should be the same up until pip takes over , then will go from there , at the moment I took the pip online practice test and scored got a 8 and a 4 for daily and 10 for the other .... Doesn't matter I know but we will have to see then .... Worrying times though pal , hope your handling it ok
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everyone who works will be in this situation we need to bring this to everyone's attention and it seems to have been overlooked, no mention of this in the news. People don't know that when they work and save that they will be in this situation if they become unable to work. It sounds good saying unemployment insurance but then UC follows when the time limit is up, this is how the government is planning on reducing the welfare bill, eventually loads more people will be unable to claim UC due to getting a job and going over the savings threshold. What can we do to bring this issue to the forefront and get people talking about it. People are only discussing UC and PIP
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PIP renewal :
You’ll have to describe how you’re now finding each task or activity. Think about if anything has changed since your last assessment and if it’s harder or easier.
Here is where ,(imo), you shouldnt have to overthink and worry if you scored no 4's in any care Q, in the previous assessment.
No omission of a 4 in a previous award is written in stone! especially given that each illness has many progressive nuances.
In any upcoming renewals, we can all explain our concerns with our previous assessments…aka- where you feel that given the evidence you gave you should have scored a 4 -in that previous assessment! And the reason why you didn't contest it at the time; because overall, you did receive the rightful award of enhanced & chose not to have to go through the entire process again for fear of the assessment becoming even more incorrect.
I think this contentious 4 will come back to bite them and become quite the stumbling block; highlighting the very flawed nature of previous assessments.
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Timms is on gmb news st 8.30 today
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Yeah I appreciate that.
Its all so vague at the moment.
We really need further clarity.
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thank you.
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