The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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I’m personally oddly excited (well not excited but I don’t know what word I’m trying to say. Enthusiastic I suppose) to write my response to the GP. I did a masters degree in policy at uni… just managed to scrape a pass and left not wanting to have anything more to do with it, and thinking that it would never be applicable to anything I would do in the future.
And now this! Looks like I’m going to get to put it to good use after all. I’m going to try and write it on the legal/policy aspect (did some law as well) and how abominable it is from that perspective.I’m also considering reaching out to some of my old lecturers for help on responding to it, and I’ll try and get them to respond too.
We can all work together on this and we will make it through.
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I also just wanted to say though, this is such a stressful time and I know a lot of us are really shaken up at the moment, so please don’t feel any pressure to do anything right now. You’ll probably hear people talking about going out to protest and doing this and that and whilst that is very important, not everyone can, and that’s okay. If responding to the GP seems too much, that’s okay too. The most important thing is that you stick here with us. We are a community and we need to stick together now more than ever. If all you can do is get through the day, then that’s more than enough. Reminder that you are valid, loved, and very important. ❤️ to each and every one of you.
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@YogiBear and @MB8 I have completed the consultation this afternoon and shall be contacting my MP and parliamentarians sympathetic to disability claimants about this vague proposal for time-limited Unemployment Insurance benefit over the next few days.
Note the words near the end:
"a route to financial support for those with temporary and short-term health conditions, including for those who may not be entitled to PIP and therefore not entitled to the health element of UC."
I've been disabled since childhood. I'll never get better.
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This is scary, published by Disability news service
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Things happen and we all understand that, within reason.
But there are constant excuses.
In my job, if I had said something like that, I would have been called in to explain the reason to a senior member of staff.
All this "sorry, we'll learn by our mistakes" is not acceptable. They are dealing with people's lives.
These civil servants know they will always get their salary even if they cannot provide the service they are paid to provide.
This is not acceptable.
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Zipz
I have also contacted a number of MP's regarding this as well. I have also completed the consultation and I didn't hold back with my response. Like many people on here I'm just feeling burnt out now. I suffered a SCI in 2004 and there has been no improvement since then. Things are actually getting worse.
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I'm so sorry to hear your spinal issues are worsening.
This is a weird section of the document and we must get clarity from MPs/Ministers but something tells me this Unemployment Insurance benefit cannot be for us.
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@Middleton that's great news. Was this your reassessment for LCWRA?.
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I have to wear AFO's on both legs and the muscle wastage has got very bad. Hopefully an MP will come back to us and clarify. 👍️
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Im also on ESA (contribution related), and I’ve been in the support group for many years (well over 10) and Yes, the details are extremely vague -putting it mildly. The: “ (for new people claiming)” in paragraph 54 is possibly for those who are NOT in the support group, or who have been on it many years (lifetime award etc) I received this last week, thus:
How Employment and Support Allowance has been worked outThe Employment and Support Allowance Award
The payment of Employment and Support Allowance is based on your National Insurance Contribution records and any additional amount the law says you need to live on.
£92.05 Your living expenses
Limited capability for work addition
Extra Money because you are in the Support Group £48.50 (all emboldened mine)
Which gives a total income-related amount £140.55
Income and Benefits
No income will be taken off your Employment and Support Allowance
Your income-related amount is £ 140.55 less £0.00 so you would have been entitled to £140.55
However because you are entitled to contribution-based Employment and Support Allowance we will pay you £140.55
The amounts on this page apply from 11 April 2025 to 27
November 2025
Yours sincerely
Office Manager
—————————————The inside booklet (ESA REPORTING CHANGES - ESACOC) on page 6, says:
Changes to capital and assets
We need to know if the total capital and assets in your household is more than £6000. Tell us if you or anyone who lives with you:
- starts getting, stops getting or has a change to the amount of savings or investments owned
- becomes the owner of any land, buildings or premises or sells any land, buildings or premises
- gets a one-off payment such as inheritance or a lump sum payment.
There is no mention in this booklet of CB-ESA (AFAIK), but from the above info (mine), I would assume I’m on contribution ESA. The booklet should read well for means, (and non means tested) esa.
I have savings over 16K, and never been contacted about this. What is concerning (as pointed out by others here), is that if It’s time related, then we on ESACB could lose our NI contributions. I’m 64 (just last week) so 3 years till pension.
Thank you all for this forum, of which we would all struggle without.👍️1 -
How long before the disabled are harrassed in public!
The zeitgeist is turning against the most vulnerable😟
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Yep, it is for LCWRA
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II dont think Id go so far as to say thwy are evil (re assessors)
Some are not very nice. Possibly just the way they are (so not sure why they're in that job 🤔 ) but possibly bullied by their superiors to get results.
Some are very human but are still under the cosh, so to speak.
As for Kendall Reeves & Starmer - (sounds like a dodgy firm if you ask me ) I think they are the evil ones
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Love this! You go for it! A degree is a degree. ☺
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I'm going to contact a few peers as well. I'm honing my draft. It must be flawless.
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Did you have to complete the same questionnaire before the phone call today?. I'm basically waiting to be reassessed and was wondering if I need to go through the whole process from scratch again?.
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No; this was simply a UC claim review.. Around 3 weeks ago i received a note in my journal asking me for 4 months of bank statements.
They asked me 2 questions concerning a couple of bank transactions and that was it.👍
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So they gonna get rid of Contribution Based ESA and then make it time limit and then you have to apply for UC.
What happens if your partner works fulltime ?
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my first assessor was definitely evil . Hardly looked up from her computer. Asked me questions to which she had the answers . Wrote underneath everything I answered , claimant said she can’t do x. I say she can . Ignored my Drs letters, my Gp said he’d never had that before and was furious. Said my specialist letters claimed my condition was due to my child’s condition but I’m ok now . This was a lie . I have ME that was caused by glandular fever and there’s no cure. She even had the cheek to say I made good eye contact when she barely looked at me . Second assessor pretended to be friendly then down graded my points . To do the job and knowing the damage you’re doing to ppl imo they’re evil. And it’s us that being made out as liars and cheats to the system. When it’s the assessors that are the liars I know they’re trained to turn ppl down but the two I had were nurses , they didn’t need to be assessors . The first was definitely the worse , the second just crafty . So far and I don’t want to jinx myself ( touch wood , I’m touching my head 😂)the dwp have actually been nice and helpful.
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