Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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I believe the announcement is due around 12.30 @gamer1
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When they talk about disabled people getting a job show them this, there aren't enough jibs for all the able bodied job seekers without adding us lot into the mix.
But perhaps, just perhaps if they take away all our money and make life unbearable then appropriate jobs will magically fly out of starmers privileged backside!
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Thank you . What I donβt understand is in regards to other legislation the echr always seems to be able to use human rights laws. Such as the law stating criminals can be deported if serving a year or more in prison. Yet the echr usually seems to over turn this by using human rights laws such as a right to family etc. so does this mean that the same applies to us in that if this becomes law in parliament if it contravenes the equality law as a disabled group that the echr overrides parliament law . Hope that makes sense .
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You can't legalyl challenge a green paper because its just a rough proposal document that starts a consultation process that is now underway with "welfare reform". When consultations are over at the end of June, the government will produce a firmer white paper that will then contain provisions that can potentially be challenged in the courts.
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Exactly this.
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The ECHR can issue temporary emergency judgements to prevent things like, for example, flights taking off to Rwanda at very short notice. I'm not sure if such a judgement also requires a UK judge to rubberstamp it.
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@Tumilty good shout! I'll get one created now.
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Watched PMQs and got Rachel Reeves' statement (or whatever to call it). It's just pathetic. Constant blaming of their previous Government, dodging questions and any MP who raises worries or others' experiences that have written to them about disabilities and benefit cuts, the PM just said "young people unemployment rates are so high!". I'm disabled and also young, why is every argument turned to "young people don't work"? I know why but it's just mental
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I hope we are protected by them ie disability a protected characteristic. The echr seems to overrule a lot of other legislation so surely it can for us π
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I've created Spring Statement Discussion for now. I don't want to overcomplicate the discussions so we'll see how it goes with having these both open for now but this may change. Hope that's ok all π
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She just said about getting people back to work (Get Britain Working). They never mention those who CAN'T WORK or who can't do full-time work because of health. "Get those working to help them out of poverty". No darling, you're going to push people INTO poverty by cutting their benefits and forcing them to work, putting them at risk with their health conditions.
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Me too! I'm certainly expecting the ECHR to be included to help our fight in terms of the ultimate UK judgements.
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can they overrule parliament though ? Benefits and work seemed cast doubt on that .
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she needs a voice transplant
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We've had a handful of MP'S 'speak out', but that's all.
The disability charities and organisations have been almost silent.
It seems at this stage that there won't be any 'backlash' and we are all 'doomed'.
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No, they can't overrule as said before. But if you take the case to the ECHR before there's a law, then hopefully you can get a judgement for UK judges to take into consideration when making their own rulings before any law gets passed.
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thank you π. Sorry for asking the same questions . My brain fogs quite bad so I canβt think straight. How long do you think before it becomes law , obviously it goes to the lords first and hopefully they amend it . Someone said I think this summer it will be law . I hope Ellen Clifford et al are looking into this and Iβm sure they are .thanks again π
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I am waiting to see which Labour MPs challenge this in the Commons today. Will we see any backbone. I don't feel hopeful.
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I suffer from brain fogs too lolβ¦ I think Scope said over a year quite likely to work through all the different stages of this process. I saved the message where they explained it all, because it was really useful, but now I can't find it to share with you. π
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