Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Youve misunderstood the statement
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I'm truly sorry. Hope I didn't offend.
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Currently if people do not fulfil their journal obligations they can sanction you and either reduce your UC or stop it altogether. If you are judged as fit for work then a doctors FIT note will also just likely be ignored and you will still have to meet your obligations or face consequences. It is appalling what they are intending to do to people who are vulnerable. I am ashamed of our government.
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If the government gets their way and your pip entitlement say goes to 2030 do they have honour the award to that time.
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I just read that starmer said.about pip, that it is an incentive for people not to work. Are they entirely thick.?.
Do they know that it's not means tested out of work benefit ,that you can work and claim it. Surely this needs to be spelled out to them. That some need pip in able for them to continue working.
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They are fully committed to the (in public) idea that the main blocker to work is people are not motivated. so the belief is that inducing poverty will cause a miracle.
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This is, I think, the key to getting unions onboard.
The 'working people' Reeves bangs on about incessantly are the ones who are going to be totally screwed when they become too ill to work.
Those already in receipt of ESA (on UC) will face some rigours to retain it (or a version of it) via PIP.
Future claimants i.e. those currently working who subsequently become ill will face much a much tougher situation:
- Reduced 'returns' i.e. time-limited access to the non-means-tested benefit, as opposed to current open-ended/ongoing payments.
- Treated as a jobseeker even when they are too ill to work.
- No NI contributions towards pension.
Is this what unions who fund the New Tories want for their members? I think it's probably not.
No-one, absolutely no-one, other than those who are currently in this situation seem to have noticed this (I can hear the clinking of champagne glasses in Downing Street at this point), far less care about it.
It's MASSIVE for future claimants, not least the impact on any potential recovery for them whilst being harassed as a 'jobseeker', and the impact on their pensions.
Beyond all of that - WHERE THE HECK ARE ALL THESE JOBS WE'VE TO CHASE????
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The thing is we have no real say in it. They control the narrative once you are deemed fit for work which millions will be, after that we have no say. And even those unfit will be required to engage with work coach. Only advice I can give is stand your ground when it comes to agreeing to your commitments. Make sure you let them know what you can and can't do. It will be not be easy, they will be very tough on people. The key will be your commitments and what's in it.
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I had a sleepless night last night and then today with announcements from Reeves.
I just can't see how they can force people who can't work to find work, expect meltdowns in Job Centres, Work Coaches being placed in the position to console people, many will resign due to the hostile and emotional environment, security working overtime...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work this out.
Anyway good night and thank you all for helping me, just words can make a big difference X
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This is very good advice, the worst thing is not engaging as it then plays in the DWP's hands.
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Hi hope you don't mind me saying but it isn't that straight foward unfortunately.getting a sick note from doctor doesn't stop regular jobcentre appointments I know this from past experience whilst waiting for a wca assesment.My partner was in intense work search whilst providing sick notes for months he was suicidal. Shocking I know absolutely ridiculous to expect someone suicidal to work search and drag them into appointments. I put a complained in his journal and demanded reasonable adjustments to be put in place.After this he had wellbeing calls regular or they would sanction.Reasonable adjustments they could still expect some work search or put the claimant in the work preparation group or even wellbeing calls until assessed hope this helps 😊
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YYes I totally agree it will only make everyone health worse especially mental health dragging them into jobcentre
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And thats the salient point! "Commitments" …the contention that one who is and was deemed unable being asked to commit to an ability that isnt obtainable.
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No, you simply misunderstood 👍
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It’s disgusting. It is already hard enough to claim for PIP, it’s not given easily or with the stroke of a pen. Making it harder is going to affect so many people who really need the extra support. They are targeting the most vulnerable & disabled individuals in the country. It’s a sad state of affairs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4RoZh4cevo
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Thanks for sharing this, I hadn't seen it. I'm wondering why none of the journalists raise the issue of 1. The PIP change to eligibility/points increase to 4 and 2. More importantly, that they do not then connect it to the loss of LWCA leaving claimants potentially destitute. I can feel an email coming on to enlighten them 🙄🤨
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Tbh Catherine I don't think they have to put it to a vote.
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