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If the government gets it way. Every disabled person who forced into work will apply for PiP again and again. The system will become so over loaded it will explode.
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I don't know how to post the link sorry but the following, debated in the House of Lords Thursday 16th May 2024 is very interesting and especially in respect of PIP (I've only skim read it, I'll read it thoroughly tomorrow) and it's long.
"People with Disabilities: Access to Services" motion raised by I think Baroness Hughes of Stretford.
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I watched Debbie Abrahams and other members of the Liaison (Commons) Select Committee question Keir Starmer today on various government matters. The first 15 minutes cover tariffs, and after that, members question him on welfare reforms and the Green Paper. It was an interesting discussion.
While Debbie Abrahams may not be everyone’s favourite, I truly believe that she, along with the other members asking questions today and reading out emails from disabled constituents worried about losing their benefits to Kier Starmer, do not fully support these reforms.
In my opinion, I believe the government won’t have it as easy as they first thought with these welfare reforms, and they will face significant resistance and scrutiny at every step of the process, something they likely did not anticipate. After hearing Keir Starmer try to respond to questions on the subject today, it’s clear that these policies have not been fully thought through, as he struggled to answer straightforward, relevant questions when asked.
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Of course the government know how many people, especially women, like me and you @Girl_No1were once due to retire, going on to state pension at the age of 60, who are now having to wait an additional number of years. I'm a case in point too. I'm 60 and should be already be on state pension but will have to wait until I'm 67 in early 2032.
The government don't want to admit to this though as they want to deflect blame from themselves to us as our number grows much larger with every year that passes. Through no fault of our own. 😔
If you are too disabled to work, at this age they want the rest of the country to believe that somehow we can take some sort of job, like the younger disabled so they can cover their tracks. 😡
Since these appalling proposals have been announced I am now REALLY counting the years off until state pension age, when our income will be reasonable enough, with the government unable to take the gouges they can out of it that they can while I'm still working age.
Thankfully my partner and I who is also disabled and already at pension age so we will be able to keep our heads above water as although he is likely to lose his standard daily living PIP at review in 2028 and I will then lose Carer's Allowance, he will be definitely be eligible for Attendance Allowance instead, (which doesn't have such strict eligibility as PIP DL will have by then) although I can't get Carer's Allowance with that.
At least we can manage, unlike many other disabled people who will lose so much money their lives will be completely ruined. 😡
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can someone from scope please explain the following to me please. Was the 4 point rule originally just in relation to the new health element or was it always for pip . I ask as I’ve heard on the justice journals that it was for lcwra/ health element but they have now stated it will be for pip too . I don’t understand this as I thought you had to get pip in order to get the health element if the reforms go through
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same here i'd be retired now too , i am 61 in September and i find myself in turmoil working out pip award lengths to take me to state pension. i don't want wish my life away i want to enjoy it best i can, but those running the country like keeping us on high alert anxiety and fear . I actually suspect there is no real welfare pot, the whole world is printing money and all countries are bankrupt .
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the justice journals host believes these reforms will be found unlawful by the supreme court , i watched her today .
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I also watched her today but I don’t understand what she means. She said originally the 4 point rule was for lcwra/ health only but now they’ve included it for pip. I thought the 4 points was always intended to be for pip as you had to get pip to claim over/ health element. I’m confused by this .
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I too am confused , but i had a glimmer of hope when she mentioned the supreme court hopefully finding the changes unlawful .
I think there are challenges being prepared behind the scenes, and they are not letting enemy know until ready to pounce.
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@MW123, your post felt like a melody to my heart and soul. Thank you so much for sharing it!
On that note-there were also some absolutely jaw-dropping and thought-provoking questions raised within our multi-page Scope Green Paper thread, and I’d honestly love to hear how Starmer would’ve responded to some of the points raised by our community members. Truthfully, I don’t think Starmer (or) Liz (or) Reeves can respond meaningfully-these proposals built on paper thin evidences were never built to withstand real scrutiny. It reads more like a business proposal with cost-cutting intentions. They weren’t expecting disabled people to push back with such clarity, strength, and truth. All they expected was silence.
It’s becoming more evident that their cost-cutting intentions, masked as “reform,” are completely at odds with the laws and principles designed to safeguard disabled and vulnerable people. If Labour continues down this path, it could very well be their undoing.
If the government had genuinely focused on reforming with us-by improving assessments for PIP and WCA, rather than abolishing the WCA altogether and introducing the harsh 4 daily living points PIP criteria tied to the UC health element-our communities might have supported meaningful change. We all know the system desperately needs fixing. But not like this. Not by cutting what is already the bare minimum-benefits we’ve had to fight for, often through years of stress, appeals, and tribunals.
There is still time. Every one of our voices matters. Let’s keep urging people to oppose by responding directly to the Green Paper consultation before it closes in June. Our collective opposition can and will make a difference.
We’ve been underestimated before but this is our chance to be heard, and we are not, and should not, be backing down.
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we may be disabled , but that doesn't make us silent , we have a voice and we're using it and they know it .
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hi Sarah ,
If you look up Starmer taking Blair to court regarding benefits for asylum seekers Starmer won due to it being unlawful to leave someone without shelter and food . Well this must cover us too as without benefits we won’t be able to eat and pay bills etc . I’m not sure justice journals is correct about the 4 points rule though as it’s the first time I’ve heard it regarding just lcwra without pip
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yes, but I think its made to confuse , everything seems to not make sense, I mean where are these jobs coming from for us ? there are no jobs .
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people on the video comments said the same but she’s adamant that it was lcwra/ health element but now they’ve said it’ll cover pip too . That doesn’t make sense as I thought without pip you can’t claim lcwra / health element in future
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why not try to get healthy job seekers on basic uc jobs first ? This is clearly cost cutting but they think they’ve been cleverer than the Tory’s by holding a consultation ( well part consultation) and admitting they want to save taxpayers money whereas the Tory’s lied about it . It’s still discrimination though .
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I've read that and you are right , he will have this thrown back at himself, he seems to be making such a fool of himself, i suspect he is being controlled , but who is the puppet master , all of his MP's are just reading from a script from what I can see , they stammer and um ah and cannot answer . 🤔
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Omg did you see reeves when they questioned her ? I felt embarrassed for her as she stammered throughout her answers. It shows how he has no morals as he fought for others human rights but now is against the same rights as he’s in a different job. I don’t think he cares as he has other plans for his career after his term is up . He’s literally alienated all his voters so he must know he’ll never get voted in again. I really hope the Labour Party oust him to save the party as they must surely know they will be voted out .
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It’s clearly stated in points 140–142 on page 90 of the large-print version of the ‘Pathways to Work’ Green Paper proposal (see attached screenshot) that the proposed 4-point daily living eligibility is aligned to PIP. So it seems they may have overlooked this information and got confused.
Best Wishes!
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Did you see reeves answering her questions? She was dreadful. Umming and ahhhhing , didn’t know what to say .
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