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I think I’m going to see what happens then if it goes ahead I’ll email the relevant people and say the change pip assessment needs is criteria for fatigue and pain as there’s nothing in the forms for that . I think the system is so complicated is hard to know what will happen

I agree. I believe and could be wrong, that at re assessment we are treated as new claimants. If we loose PIP at that stage then what ? The ''existing claimants will stay the same forever'' is a load of rubbish in my opinion. They know what they are doing, they are offering ''nothing'' wrapped in a silk scarf. If folk here can see that then why oh why are the rebels so easily accepting the concessions. My head is not functioning very well at the mo, new meds for a chronic progressive condition are really messing with my reasoning etc, I have been told it can happen, suddenly I am a ranty person which is very alien to me, its scary. So, what I am trying to say above could be totally wrong, if it is I apologise. I personally think, looking at everything in the round, this is far far from over, they never ever offer anything without removing something else. I don't want to be the negative one here but I still think if not at this time, we will in the very near future, be facing very worrying changes that will be put through whether we like them or not.

Sky news

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Future claimants, however, will be subject to the PIP four-point rule and to the reduction in the LCWRA element of UC.''

You sum up very well what I cant just now MW, its rubbish and we know it. All the main pieces are still there, plus there is absolutely no clarification of existing claimants v what happens at re assessment and what that means for any of us.

From the dynamic duo . Rich is ex dwp and what he’s written is the way I read the concessions to mean . Obviously nothing is official from the government yet. I’m not convinced he’ll get it through anyway tbh

It says it only affects new claimants, surely the people applying for the first time.

If you're being reassessed your not a new claimant which is why you still keep getting paid whilst being reassessed.

If your a new claimant you don't get paid until you've been awarded. How it seems to me anyway

I've just seen on YouTube that the rebels are not happy with the concessions! And are still

to fight on!

That’s what I think . I think there are short awards 1 year or perhaps 2 I’m not sure and when they come to an end you have to apply a fresh claim. It’s not the same as those who get reviewed . We also don’t know the finer details yet , hopefully there’s protection for those who move address etc and gave change of circumstances, but it does seem it’s for new claimants which still isn’t fair

Morning MW,

What I meant and probably wasn’t clear as my pain and fatigue bad was that information is coming out today . Right now it’s just the outlines . There are other protections we need to tell MPs about as they don’t understand pip.

The 13 week concession was already in the table and I don’t think this is the same . As I read it if those of us currently on pip come up for review we will be assessed under the current rules even after next November ( if it even passes) . Obviously that’s one thing I want to write to MPs about , what about a change of circumstances ie you may move address . Will your claim go with you . I imagine there’ll be finer details. But unless you lose pip and fail at MR and tribunal and upper tier if they’ve erred in law you keep under the rules as they are now . They know charities and activists will be going over it and I would think Starmer is worried now . As it is it’s still not guaranteed that it will pass . I wouldn’t be surprised if Tory’s vote against to scupper Starmer and say it’s due to the cuts being even lower .