Does a nurse have to be registered?

Yadnad

Benistmonk said:

djbantiques said:

So your GPs opinion counts very little because they don't see you enough to know how your conditions affect you but the assessors opinion is 100% correct on what you can and can not do based on a 30 -60 minute interview.

What has medical training to be a GP got to do with assessing someone against set criteria as to whether they are able to do some work or are disabled enough to qualify for PIP?
GP's have an opinion and that is why they issue a sick note, but they are not in a position to test that opinion against the descriptors that make up ESA and PIP.

Yadnad

user1234 said:

yadnad - Pulmonary Fibrosis is considered a fatal disease so hows it not deadly?

First of all you have to identify the type of disease (PF covers a whole host of conditions). Not all are serious conditions that can lead to an early death.
It's like saying that you have cancer without identifying the particular type of cancer it is.

PF by itself is not a life threatening condition - the type of condition you have within that general diagnosis may well be life limiting (rare) to just a mild irritation that you can live with.

clarkjohnson

You talk about scoring points like its a football match I no what it's like to go to work I've been doing it for over 40 years in all situations and conditions rain and shine and all hours . Then when I became ill I got some jumped up person who saw me for 20 minutes typed a few things and said I could to some sort of work . Some people on here are very good at shoving technical stuff down our throats in fact they could get a job working for nasa but when it comes to pure raw human feelings and emotions and care for others well being I score them a big fat zero . I've never heard such a load of hogwash perhaps we should get rid of doctors and next time we are ill just phone the Dwp for an appointment and see someone we've never met 

freckles

No i said the DWP are corrupt and 90%of assessors are clueless when you have ipf and your seeing your consultant and he says my finger nails are clubbed and that is a bad sign then yes i would expect an assesor to no that as well as how can they assess people with disabilities when they are not even qualified in that area a nurse whos qualified in physiotherepy is not going to no about IPF or MENTAL ILLNESS its like having a chef repairing a car

clarkjohnson

Well said freckles nice to meet you 

freckles

Nice to meet you two

clarkjohnson

Hello love cats hope your well I see you were an assessor at some time I saw a young lady at my assessment . Could I ask you what training you had and understanding of the issues of a 63 year old man suffering with penile cancer please thank you . 

Gerald

wilko said:

@ilovecats, what a lot of sense you have been posting honest and to the point. The truth hurts some times and as others have said GPs are just that not specialists in any one field of medicine hence why we are refered to hospitals to see consultants for in depth testing, scans ect. As a MS sufferer my GP said he didn’t know much about my condition but I was in the care of a specialist MS nurse and a neurologist and Neuro, physo who knew what I had before being given my official diagnosis by the symptoms I was presenting to her. So sending doctors letter is a waste of time get the big gun involved, the consultant, your physo, the OH and those who can bring credibility to your conditions and functionality. Hope we see a lot more of you posting Ilovecats, in the coming months.

Hi okay then you put this down GPs are just that not specialists in any one field of medicine hence why we are refered to hospitals to see consultants for in depth report then you tell me how then can preson doing the assessment can come up with there point of view and not read the medical report a think that they are right and the Doctors and Consuitants report are wrong as this has happened to me so who is right the person doing the assessment or a Doctor and Consuitants i know whos word i think is right so answer that one 

clarkjohnson

Hello Gerald I'm still waiting for my answer from love cats as she said she's here to help and give us informative information. Hope your well ?

Gerald

clarkjohnson said:

Hello Gerald I'm still waiting for my answer from love cats as she said she's here to help and give us informative information. Hope your well ?

Hello clarkjohnson I get the felling that if you put a point of view down that helps someone with a disability and not the PIP assessment with there point of view and not read the medical report and think that they are right and the Doctors and Consuitants report are not so is there a point or no point sending in this evidence you tell me.

Yadnad

freckles said:

No i said the DWP are corrupt and 90%of assessors are clueless when you have ipf and your seeing your consultant and he says my finger nails are clubbed and that is a bad sign then yes i would expect an assesor to no that as well as how can they assess people with disabilities when they are not even qualified in that area a nurse whos qualified in physiotherepy is not going to no about IPF or MENTAL ILLNESS its like having a chef repairing a car

For someone to screen for mental health issues, the majority of the assessment is down to observation. There are many mini MSE types of forms, but all follow along the same path - how they talk, how they sit, how they look and how they respond. There is no need to be qualified in a Mental Health setting - you just tick boxes on what you see and hear.

I was presented with 14 reasons in my assessment reports as to why I did not gain one point for any impact that had a mental issue behind it. There can be no denying that a claimant may well have a diagnosed mental health problem. What the assessor has to gauge is how it should manifest itself when considering the descriptors.

In my case I also have a lifelong DWP disability award (IIDB) - lost 40% of my normal mental health capabilities due to an acquired physical brain injury and PTSD, this was assessed by a doctor appointed by the DWP as far back as 1995 to start with and lately reviewed in 2011. However the issues that plague me due to this disability do not fit neatly into any of the PIP descriptors.
As has been said many times you may well have some very serious disabilities but if they do not fit perfectly with enough descriptors you will not get an award. On the other hand someone with mild disabilities that do impact on their life AND fit enough descriptors they will get an award.

Yadnad

clarkjohnson said:

Hello love cats hope your well I see you were an assessor at some time I saw a young lady at my assessment . Could I ask you what training you had and understanding of the issues of a 63 year old man suffering with penile cancer please thank you . 

The issues and how it impacts on the way you live your life should have been put down on the claim form. It is not for the assessor to do the work for you although I too have approached three PIP assessments with that same attitude.
All the assessor has to do is (a) are the issues and impact you have written about reasonable given the circumstances/diagnosis (b) if so how do those issues and impact fit with any descriptors.

Gerald

Hi ilovecats okay then you put this down in a post GPs are just that not specialists in any one field of medicine hence why we are refered to hospitals to see consultants for in depth report then you tell me how then can person doing the assessment can come up with there point of view and not read the medical report a think that they are right and the Doctors and Consuitants report are wrong as this has happened to me so who is right the person doing the assessment or a Doctor and Consuitants i know whos word i think is right so answer that one as i think this is a sensible question and not a hostile question Thank you.

cristobal

If I can wind this back to @pamela1962's original point (if anyone remembers that!!) ....

I checked on three family members who are on various medical registers...the result - I can find one easily, the other two are a bit more difficult (don't know exactly why ..might be something to do with Capital letters or something?)

Might be worth considering if you can't find someone on the register - I would have assumed that my daughter wasn't registered...if i didn't know for a fact that she is......

freckles

Its not hostility lovecats its people airing there views and as you use to be an HCP you can imagine how people are feelings when they feel HCP have lied in there reports and the DWP are making a mockery of the benefit system yes not all HCP,s are bad but the ones who are have left people to not to have any faith or belief in pip assements and let the system down people go to a lot of trouble to get medical evidence and its like its not believed maybe you are trying to give people on here help but the way things are with trust between assesors and the DWP is at an all time low 

Yadnad

Gerald said:

Hi okay then you put this down GPs are just that not specialists in any one field of medicine hence why we are refered to hospitals to see consultants for in depth report then you tell me how then can preson doing the assessment can come up with there point of view and not read the medical report a think that they are right and the Doctors and Consuitants report are wrong as this has happened to me so who is right the person doing the assessment or a Doctor and Consuitants i know whos word i think is right so answer that one 

What GP or Consultant that you know has given you a report on the findings of tests as to how the impact you say you have fits in with the PIP descriptors? None I would assume. Likewise you are not going to expect a PIP assessor to examine you, diagnose an issue and offer treatment for it. 

Gerald

Yadnad said:

Gerald said:

Hi okay then you put this down GPs are just that not specialists in any one field of medicine hence why we are refered to hospitals to see consultants for in depth report then you tell me how then can preson doing the assessment can come up with there point of view and not read the medical report a think that they are right and the Doctors and Consuitants report are wrong as this has happened to me so who is right the person doing the assessment or a Doctor and Consuitants i know whos word i think is right so answer that one 

What GP or Consultant that you know has given you a report on the findings of tests as to how the impact you say you have fits in with the PIP descriptors? None I would assume. Likewise you are not going to expect a PIP assessor to examine you, diagnose an issue and offer treatment for it. 

Hi Yadnad okay then how can a PIP assessor come up with there point of view is right and not reports from a Doctor and Consuitants report as i have a stoma which is a hole in my side which is all so called a colostomy, were one end of the colon is pulled out through a cut in your tummy and stitched to the skin to create a stoma and have a colostomy bag to collect your poo (stools) so how can a PIP assessor put down that no aids are needed to help you to manage toilet needs or  incontinence of either bladder or bowel you tell me is this right the assessor or a Doctor and Consuitants.

Benistmonk

cristobal said:

@benistmonk and @freckles -  you seem to be having difficulty with this so I'll summarise:

No-one is belittling GPs. 

They are highly trained

They are not trained in how conditions which they diagnose (because they are highly trained!) impact on a patients day to day life

The evidence that they submit a lot of the time (but not all the time) is of limited value because it relates to a diagnosis, not a patient's consequent loss of functionality (which, for PIP purposes, is the important bit)

I am totally amazed that you think GP's do not know how conditions impact a patients life when half their daily workload involves home visits to patients who can't get to the surgery. 

Benistmonk

Yadnad said:

What has medical training to be a GP got to do with assessing someone against set criteria as to whether they are able to do some work or are disabled enough to qualify for PIP?
GP's have an opinion and that is why they issue a sick note, but they are not in a position to test that opinion against the descriptors that make up ESA and PIP.

Sham assessments have no place in a civilised society, read the UN report, all these assessment do is cause hardship and despair for the poorest people in society. 

Benistmonk

ilovecats said:

Pardon my french, but b*$€@&*s! That is just not true.

A GP has such an immense workload that they rarely leave the practice!

If you can get a GP to come and visit you at home then you must share the secret because if have spend hours of my professional life trying to convince GP’s to come and see elderly and vulnerable patients at home at 90% of the time they make you take them to hospital even if it isn’t in their best interest because they don’t want to or don’t have the time to come out!

If on the rare occasion they agree that a home visit is necessary, it is normally a paramedic or nurse practitioner that does the home assessments.

OMG! what a thing to say because it does not fit in with your narrative. My GP spends more than half her time out of the surgery on home visits, I know that for a fact because I have often had to wait for an appointment. She would always apologise for being late due to her rounds. It was not unusual for her to work very late in the evening, regularly past 6.30pm and on one occasion I was seen at 7.15pm.