Does a nurse have to be registered?

cristobal

Can we get back to the original thread please.

@ilovecats I can't find any trace of you on any of the professional registers.

Is it the usual spelling of "lovecats" or have you changed it slightly??

Or are you not registered at all?

poppy123456

I didn't even put a GP contact name on my daughters first PIP claim or the review form. Why not? because her GP doesn't have a clue how her conditions affect her.

He doesn't know that she needs support for cooking, bathing, dressing/undressing, budgeting decisions, reading and understanding signs and symbols,  engaging with others and following and planning a journey. The only thing he could tell them is that she has a diagnosis of ASD, learning disability and social anxiety disorder, none of which is very helpful at all in telling a HCP or DWP how her conditions affect her.

Detailed assessment reports from the Community Mental Health and a learning disability team have been sent to support her claim.

Benistmonk

That question has been answered in the first couple of posts, there is nothing more to say on the subject. Just in case anyone has forgot, the answer is yes, nurses must be registered to assess you.

poppy123456

ilovecats said:

Apologies for hijacking this thread!

No need to apologies for giving great factual advice.

wilko

@ilovecats, what a lot of sense you have been posting honest and to the point. The truth hurts some times and as others have said GPs are just that not specialists in any one field of medicine hence why we are refered to hospitals to see consultants for in depth testing, scans ect. As a MS sufferer my GP said he didn’t know much about my condition but I was in the care of a specialist MS nurse and a neurologist and Neuro, physo who knew what I had before being given my official diagnosis by the symptoms I was presenting to her. So sending doctors letter is a waste of time get the big gun involved, the consultant, your physo, the OH and those who can bring credibility to your conditions and functionality. Hope we see a lot more of you posting Ilovecats, in the coming months.

Benistmonk

Yes, get the whole lot involved because the DWP thinks GP letters only contain patients opinions. Then wait for a tribunal to decide because the DWP can't be bothered to read specialists letters.

cristobal

@Benistmonk ...you're not really going to change your mind are you?

djbantiques

So your GPs opinion counts very little because they don't see you enough to know how your conditions affect you but the assessors opinion is 100% correct on what you can and can not do based on a 30 -60 minute interview.

clarkjohnson

Dr says hello how can I help you . Patient says it doesn't matter they wont believe you anyway ?

poppy123456

It's clear that we are going round in circles here and i don't have the energy to continue this discussion any further, i'm out.

clarkjohnson

Yes it's like the mad hatters tea party 

freckles

I would like to say the whole pip form needs updating half of it for me is based on cooking toilet needs can you get in and out of the bath or shower unaided or using a microwave yes i understand those questions are correct but what about other needs like autism and serious lung diseases one of the questions is can you walk more than 50 metres unaided well my answer is i dont carry a measuring tape out with me but no i car,nt because i get out of breath i even showed the assessor my clubbed finger nails she put in report that my fingernails were clean so obviously has,nt got a clue about idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis which is a deadly illness and as for gp letters who else no,s your health better than a G.P or consultant so to the person who use to be a H.C.P i,d say yeah 90% of assesors are clueless who don,t care as long as they bow down and get there bonuses off the corrupt DWP

Yadnad

Sorry but I must post this before I go to bed.
The descriptors were chosen to represent what the majority of disabled people have problems with. They were as a result of a whole host of recognised agencies and charities that specifically work with the disabled. So you are right and everybody else is wrong!
I will also take you up on one more point. Pulmonary Fibrosis is not a deadly disease. I have had it along with Asthma for a few years now. No one including my GP has said that I am going to die from it. Yes it is something you have to live with but taking the right medication you should live for a normal life span.
Yes you get out of breath, but you are not going to keel over any time soon. In fact I didn't even mention either of those on my PIP2 forms as they are not important in the grand scheme of things. 

Benistmonk

djbantiques said:

So your GPs opinion counts very little because they don't see you enough to know how your conditions affect you but the assessors opinion is 100% correct on what you can and can not do based on a 30 -60 minute interview.

Assessors know it all, they can tell if you are fit for work by looking at descriptors. It takes up to 16 years to become a GP, and 3 to 4 years to become a nurse. Is it any wonder why people like me think the whole system is corrupt, nurses who think they know more than GP's, you couldn't make it up. 

Benistmonk

freckles said:

I would like to say the whole pip form needs updating half of it for me is based on cooking toilet needs can you get in and out of the bath or shower unaided or using a microwave yes i understand those questions are correct but what about other needs like autism and serious lung diseases one of the questions is can you walk more than 50 metres unaided well my answer is i dont carry a measuring tape out with me but no i car,nt because i get out of breath i even showed the assessor my clubbed finger nails she put in report that my fingernails were clean so obviously has,nt got a clue about idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis which is a deadly illness and as for gp letters who else no,s your health better than a G.P or consultant so to the person who use to be a H.C.P i,d say yeah 90% of assesors are clueless who don,t care as long as they bow down and get there bonuses off the corrupt DWP

Well said Freckles, I couldn't agree more. Now you see what we are up against, nurses who have the cheek to belittle GP's who are eminently more qualified that they will ever be. Actually I will leave that last comment out, it might not fit in with the descriptors.

user1234

yadnad - Pulmonary Fibrosis is considered a fatal disease so hows it not deadly?

cristobal

@benistmonk and @freckles -  you seem to be having difficulty with this so I'll summarise:

No-one is belittling GPs. 

They are highly trained

They are not trained in how conditions which they diagnose (because they are highly trained!) impact on a patients day to day life

The evidence that they submit a lot of the time (but not all the time) is of limited value because it relates to a diagnosis, not a patient's consequent loss of functionality (which, for PIP purposes, is the important bit)

freckles

That sounds very patronising!!!!!! please explain to me what functional ability means in full as i must be clueless

poppy123456

What's patronising about it? Your functional ability means your ability to preform daily activities such as, washing, dressing, cooking, managing toilet needs, communicating etc.

poppy123456

Fully explained here. https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-1-4020-5614-7_1209