The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

hi yes I heard that said on Noam nyles channel but it just says they’re looking into it . It doesn’t mention the 4 point problem. That’s the thing that needs changing and obviously they’ll fight tooth and nail for that .

I agree this the worst part of it all . I get highest care but not 4 points due to assessors ignoring the 4 point questions. This is what needs challenging. Plus the fact that esa lcwra wca is completely different from what I remember to a pip form / assessment. They haven’t incorporated anything into the pip form for lcwra . How can that be legal ?

Its not just existing claimants but new claimants will also be affected.

None of it is fair.

That's one visit per 10 mins🤔😟

@MiddletonSadly, without going into the ins and outs of my 'plumbing' visits were frequently less than 1 minute apart, the 'luxury' of a 10 min break would have been welcome. Only took photos after c 25 visits as thought my consultant will probably not believe one could go so often as it at least records the time. If I ever lost my phone..... if it gets stolen it will serve them right.

@Middleton my first bowel consultant told me there's evidence Covid can remain in the bowel and my inflammation levels are always very high. Never had one issue with this prior to Covid; hoping to go on anti-viral trial next year and praying I don't have perforation prior to that.

I'm really sorry, from the sound of things you should be a 4 in one area. I'm in same boat where I'm 2s and 3s but no 4. I think they've deiberately chosen this number precisely because they know a lot of people don't have 4s.

I'm not sure when they plan to bring in the 4 points but it's not law yet, so I'm not sure if they could legally force this on people.

One suggestion I've seen is trying to document/record your struggles if you or a friend/loved one is able to. Another suggestion on the forum that looks good is if you can access them online print off all your GP notes and include them in your reassessment. If you can't access them online I think you have the legal right to request a copy of them - odds are it will be long and they will have to read them. Also get as many health care professionals (inc GP, counsellor, pyshiotherapists etc), any carers, family/friends who see you struggle it down in a letter, include that.

On your reassessment be extremely explicit and blunt about not just what you can't do and struggle to do explain the effect of it, how it impacts on you physically, emotionally and mentally. Ram it down their throats. Think about your worst day when filling out the reassessment. If you need to get someone to help you both with the form and go to any re-assessment. Also if they demand a face-to-face consider requesting a phone appointment or that they come to your home if you're OK with face-to-face, this is a reasonable adjustment you are legally entitled to under the Disabilities Act 2010.

It wouldn't surprise me if you have gotten worse since your last assessment - make sure you make that very, very clear what is worse for you, how it effects and impacts you. If there are things you can't do yourself, please make that very clear.

Also 2026 is a year away, with any luck they will be pressured to drop the 4 point thing and if they don't, I think they will be taken to court because to say someone is no longer eligiable for PIP when their health, or their condition or circumstances have either not changed since their last PIP or has gotten worse is discrimination and makes no sense legally.

There's a YouTuber Charlie Anderson who gives a lot of advice about PIP assessment/re-assesment. She is on PIP herself and helps other claiments and doesn't pull any punches about things but her advice I think it really good and she has a very high success rate.

They want to get people off benefits. So unlikely they will do that.