The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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I never trusted Liebour and I didn't vote for them.
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Can anyone advise please, I get esa and pip, I'm unsure about the points thing I've no idea what I got or how to find out.
Is it the case that if been on esa and pip for a while nothing changes and the merger of esa jsa is just for new claimants? Is it all starting Nov 2026 and people seem to be worried when others say most of it won't go through because of the courts..
Thanks
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Thank you for clarifying for me. Managed to get my 2nd fit note today so hopefully when the time comes for my wca all will go well.
Thanks again!
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Hi, I would like some advice if possible about the 4 point system, I've looked at my recent award which I was granted for another 4 years from December just gone. I always thought I should have got 4 points minium for mixing with people but I got a 2. Now I have read the discriptor for this activity a bit more, which I should have done at first, but was soooo stressed! I surmised I could actually get the 8 points as I would have major panic attacks and self harm with mixing outside etc. I think my problem is I don't know how to write it down properly to explain how it affects me on adaily basis, so any advice would be very helpful and much appreciated for when I am next reveiwed, thanks.
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Very true to both comments. I have friends and family - disabled and non disabled, some were Labour some were more never-Tories. Some occasionally voted for Tories but weren't fans of Tories (don't ask). What I do know is that none of them will vote Tory again, and none of them will vote Labour again. It's defiantely going to be interesting. The big wolf in the room is will this enable Farage/Reform to sweep in. But the thing is Labour can't keep getting away with this **** - they keep going after vulnerable people - this isn't a one off and frankly even if it was it's unforgiveable.
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Oh god they worked it all out well let's hope thier pushed to change
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hi all
I am on standard daily living, first award 6 years ago with 8 pts, also standard mobility
3 years ago with 10 pts for standard, got enhanced mobility
Never had 4 pts on one, been 2pters etc, bit concerned
Even if I had 4 pter would be dubious they don’t put it to 3 when changes happen, get 12 pts or more, no 4 pts on any!
Also just recently sent my review form back, award was till September 2025, now had to do new review form which was bit nightmare even for cab!
Conditions have worsened, dubious they are already going to sneakily carry out my review along new guidelines, don’t trust them, very stressful
Maybe it’s better now than November 2026, or is it?
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The new guidelines won't come into place this year so they can't do that.
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Yes I intend to do that.
I will go into much more detail on all of the daily living activities.
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Might I ask if everyone will now receive a personal letter from the DWP about what they will have to do in the future and how it will affect them individually? I have never qualified for PiP but I am in support group of ESA and about to claim UC. Thank you.
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I agree . For one thing the 4? Points clearly discriminates against certain levels of disability so you can get 20 points , go through all the system and have no award . Nit to mention the wca and pip assessment were different tests . Unless they incorporate the assessment for sickness into pip assessment it’s basically excluding ppl who are sick . And there’s no safety net , everything hangs on those 4 points . Kendall knows the assessors are the ones committing fraud not us hence covering their back with recording . Obviously sometimes the recording equipment doesn’t work. Or in my case they didn’t have any available but didn’t realise until a hour before my test .
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I really respect her doing this and that she is really hammering this. We do have some other voices on twitter etc - Jeremy Corbyn, Zarah Sultana, Andy Burnham and some others have been speaking out and it's very appreciated but not close to enough.
The one (only?) good thing was Liz Kendall got a pasting from MPs (mostly labour) over and over: (I fast forwarded to her replies/defenses) on YouTube (on JoePolitics channel)
Also as angry as we are with Liz Kendall - and trust me she absolutely deserves it, Stammer, Rachel Reeves and the disability secretary (Timms?) should all face our rage. A large part of this is because Reeves refuses to bend her own fiscal rules and has a black hole in finances and wants to scrape together cash for defense. Stammer I cannot understand - his mum and brother are/were disabled and couldn't work. Maybe he's truly fell in love with his corporate donars who knows? (hope the vid is allowed)
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I have ME amongst other things and over exertion or exercise is considered dangerous. I will be asking them to take personal responsibility if I become worse .
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So where are the details on frequent in-person protests to fight these cuts?
I'm not writing to my MP, and frankly unless you physically can't attend protests, nor should you. Letter writing campaigns are toothless drivel that the British left overrely on for political change (hence why they're toothless drivel).
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a lot of dwp staff are on pip so I’ve been told . I know for a fact Atos staff are as one answering the phone to me told me
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Hi , problem is Tory’s Mel stride are saying they can achieve 12b cuts . They reckon labour went too easy . So who else can actually get in next election. I hope it’s not ping pong and back to Tory.
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Hi , so does that mean the 4 Points situation cannot be fought in law as that seems to be the gateway to benefits now . What I don’t understand is when Tory’s tried to bring in new laws everything seemed to get stopped by legal action and our courts or the echr . Does it mean had they brought things in as primary laws they could have passed everything they pleased ?
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I know we are screwed unless Starmer and reeves are ousted or Lib Dem’s greens and independent join forces.
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imo Starmer is a psychopath so I do understand his actions. Look how he went from mr flip flop can’t make up his mind while sitting on the fence , soon as PM he showed his true self . He’s ruthless no empathy and just copies and up the ideas of those around him as he has none of his own. They’re all just copying the Tory plans . Labour are finished unless they get rid of him .
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While I got two descriptors with 4 points and 2x2 I hope id be safe after 2028 for my next pip review. (12 for mobility)as well. However if I fail to get 4 points then I understand that we loose basic daily pip, the entitlement to lcwra, carers allowance for my wife and the carers element of UC. Which will leave us in a position where I cant work still but will not have even enough money to cover food and energy bills for us. This is going to be devastating for a lot of people.
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