The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

hi

New in here, gone through the green paper and obviously it’s atrocious.

One thing I’d say that hasn’t got much or no attention is paragraph 53 and 54 regarding the new Insurance Employment.

It is very badly written, and I believe it’s on purpose.

Anyone with ESA contribution based, if that proposal goes ahead, will lose their entitlement eventually. As well as any NI contributions for their future pension.

this is clearly discrimination done in a very devious subtle way.

So if you are on ESA contributions based I would reply to their green paper pointing that out.

Wow that's interesting jimm19, I was wondering about backlogs because I was told on the phone a few weeks ago by dwp that I'm due for an esa lcwra assessment April 2026.

Makes me wonder will that be done on time .....

I know it's frightening but please try to remember a green paper is a govt wish list (and a very disturbing one at that). The tories repeatedly tried to push through similar leglistation, but were blocked by lords, charities and courts.

As much as the govt wishes, it cannot ram legislation through in a few weeks/months. There is a process they have to follow legally. They may not care about us but Starmmer is a lawyer - and if he's found to break our laws it's not going to play out well for him on the international stage, because then he's untrustyworthy and it's a bad look when you're trying to show the world you're a statesman and gain global standing (re Ukraine, Trump, middle east, UN, europe etc etc).

There's even talk that the consultation of the green paper (so legally I believe they have to get people - the public, charities etc) being unlawful - so they might be taken to court on this issue alone right at the beginning. The one thing they don't have on their side is infiniate time. They have four years - and judging from disabled and non disabled people's reactions, they will not get a second term. A lot of his MPs will be angry because either a) they genuinely care about people or b) they don't but they absolutely don't want to loose their seat along with their salary, expenses etc, they won't all be able to fall back on billion pound mates contracts, do tv shows and write memoirs, a lot will be jobless in four years if they sign up to this. THe best thing we can do is make it slow and painful and looooong for the bill - ideally so in four years they are either still trying to pass it or it's got watered down so much it's not close to what they want or the courts have found it unlawful.

Give them time, the green paper only came out yesterday. I know scope have said they are reviewing it and will update in due course.

i was ok yesterday as i had a four point scorer for the daily living part in pip, so thought i was ok, earlier today i found a new descriptor thing and where i scored 4 i will only score 2, so it looks like i will be losing the daily living bit of my pip. I got ongoing enhanced in both in 2020, so not due for a reassessment until 2030, so what will happen?

There's no harm in applying. If you do get turned down like the majority of us are, you can do a mandatory reconsideration and if that fails then tribunal. They like to reject everyone first and most people get their awards from tribunal. Some of us get them from the Mandatory reconsideration like me but the success rate of that is much lower than the tribunal

I might give it a go, but I'm just worried it will end up worse for me sooner than it would otherwise if I try.