The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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I'm all for an Angie takeover at this point.
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This is heartening to see. Love Brian Cox!
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Brian Cox is a legend! Never one afraid to speak his thoughts.
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@Girl_No1 ,well said, and just to add about these three as a snapshot:
Rachel Reeves – Known for restricting winter fuel payments, making life harder for pensioners. Honestly, it’s like she has a special vendetta against pensioners 🙄
Keir Starmer – Believes it’s somehow “moral” to slash disability benefits for the most vulnerable disabled people in our society. It really seems like he’ll try anything irrational and immoral… Truly frightening 😰
Liz Kendall – So obsessed with her £6 billion saving that she’d scrape the last morsel of food off disabled people’s plates. Does she even care about human/equality rights for disabled people? 🤔
Is there any civic sense in any of these three?
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Aside from all the nonsense about them doing us a favour by restoring dignity through work, a) where are all these jobs coming from, b) are they not all about utilising AI etc. to minimise jobs, and c) in the very obvious absence of said jobs, do they believe burgeoning unemployment stats. will favour them more than caring for the vulnerable?
Also, they appear to have forgotten ESA was introduced by Labour in the first instance in order to massage their unemployment stats. that were killing them at that time.
I'm beginning to think at least Trump (whom I loathe with every fibre of my being) was at least honest when, during his campaign, he outlined all the heinous moves he intended and is now implementing.
The more I think about this, the more raging I become.
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If this consultation is also ruled illegal, the DWP still holds these files, I presume.
Don't overshare the barriers you face in your responses because
1. They know all this from the first reassessment programme 2011 to 2014
2. DWP wants to develop 'personalised support' for claimants
Think!
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Loss of key protection is ‘nightmarish’ demonstration of green paper’s bureaucratic violence, say activists
By John Pring on 20th March 2025 Category: Benefits and Poverty
A tiny detail in the disability benefits green paper that suggests the government will scrap a key protection for claimants at extreme risk of harm is a “nightmarish” demonstration of the bureaucratic violence being inflicted on disabled people, say activists.
The grassroots, user-led mental health group Recovery in the Bin (RITB) said the move was an example of “structural bureaucratic slow violence” and “the very definition of the banality of evil”.
They spoke out after work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall said she would scrap the work capability assessment (WCA) and rely on the personal independence payment (PIP) assessment process to decide if out-of-work disabled people are entitled to extra support on top of their basic universal credit allowance.
But scrapping the WCA, which is not likely to happen until 2028, would also mean the end of the “substantial risk” regulations that have protected countless disabled people at risk of suicide and other harm if found fit for work or work-related activity.
The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) – and the Department of Social Security before it – has been trying to get rid of the regulations for nearly 30 years, but has twice been defeated by the courts.
But it did manage to weaken the regulations in December 2015, a move which led to far fewer people with mental distress being able to rely on their protection.
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I think we are all distressed by the changes to PIP but it's not acceptable to attack fellow claimants.
How do you know that PIP is an "income choice" for many claimants? I'd much rather have enjoyed a healthy life.
PIP is not a "top up". It enables somes claimants to work. It's non means-tested status is essential and must remain.
Every PIP claimant is assessed, some on paper if they can provide adequate evidence.
I doubt that "half the City of Birmingham" receives PIP. Do you have the data.
To suggest that "a good proportion" of PIP claimants are claiming without real clinical need is not a "rant" it's propaganda equal to the the foul right-wing gutter press.
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I think it will lead to deaths sadly . Starmer has no empathy in true psychopath style . It’s all about him . He must know he won’t get voted in again, let’s face it he wasn’t liked before the election and got in through default. Our only chance is labour getting him and reeves out and that dreadful Kendall. £5b ( never sure if it’s a year or till 2029) is a small amount compared to what there throwing around . What scares me is are they going to change the questions so the 4 points is impossible for most people to get. I hope this gets watered down or stopped through the courts 🙏
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Steven swinford of the times has just said on X
- Govt will also publish impact assessments for welfare cuts. They will show that 2m+ people will be hit, with a distributional analysis showing how many will be pushed into poverty. Will fuel backlash.
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In response, I suppose we should ask, "Why don't you participate in the Olympics and receive a Nobel Prize if you are healthy?"
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Has she voiced an opinion on all of this yet? I'm guessing because of her position she can't publicly criticise the policy.
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Don't know if this has been asked already, the thread is very fast moving, for obvious reasons. These proposed changes that they want to bring in, for example, the 4 point scoring, scrapping WCAs, needing PIP for UC Health Element, needing to be 22 for PIP and UC Health Element. Would all of these, IF brought forward, need agreement from House of Lords as well as receive Royal Assent?
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Do you mean Rayner ? I watched as Kendall spoke of the cuts she intends to bring in during parliament and Rayner was sitting behind her nodding her head . Which if she agrees with this is disappointing as listened to her interview on bbc4(?) and she came across very well in regards to the disabled. Mentioning her mum’s disability and her sons . But then again so does Starmer when it serves a purpose.
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So worried I just migrated from ESA support group to Universal Credit LCWRA now this,will it mean I will be migrated onto Universal Credit Health automatically as an existing claimant or will I be declared fir for work immediately in 2028? I know it's three years ahead but the worry is killing me
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Although I'm worried about all of this happening I really don't think a lot of it will go through to become law.
I think it'll all be watered down and that new 4 point rule will be abandoned.
There will be changes but they probably wont be as bad as we think they'll be.
We seem to have a lot of people on our side now who don't agree with this government.
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Even though the consultation has omitted asking direct questions on certain aspects (eg, do you think it is fair to fix qualification for PIP daily living at a 4 point criteria), I hope everyone remembers that it is still an open text box and you can include whatever information you like.
I filled it in answering every question with something relevant to what they were asking then gave them a couple of extra paragraphs of wider context of what claiming PIP is actually like and the impact of losing it for people in work, the burden on the healthcare system if people who cannot work lose their benefits and so on. Stuff they didn't ask for but which we are the best placed to know.
So even if you think the most important things aren't being consulted on, don't lose the opportunity to put those experiences in the consultation. The worst they can do is ignore it - but if it's not there, they can continue to pretend it doesn't exist.
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Don't forget Labours relocation plans - they want to relocate all disabled people to a remote Scottish island - so they can keep us all together.
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