Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Thinking of you all, feel so tired but can’t sleep or eat without feeling sick.
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I think a word (or scripture) of the day wouldn’t go amiss in a topic like this, especially for the vulnerable, as It’s brought much peace to me over the years - and decades. For example, pertinent to this particular topic of “worrying” about benefits tests’ thinking you’ll go homeless, can’t sleep etc, then Philippians 4: 6-7 “Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus”
I Don’t think sharing a verse (now and then) does any harm at all, but quite the opposite imo. Please Don’t shoot me for sharing a verse Though, mods - it is my first !Tony.
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there is also now strong evidence about the types of support that can improve the employment prospects of disabled people and people with a health condition.
They can't even get people on jobseekers working, how will they the disabled? No clue what they are doing whatsoever. Doesn't make sense at all.
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Amen, wonder if we could start a daily devotional thread, for those of us who are believers . I know I could do with some daily bread .
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Hang in there Martin. X
We Might have some more details tomorrow...but I'm dreading the spring statement.
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To me, this is a moral and ethical issue, but there is also a strong economic and business case why these proposed cuts should not go ahead, as they will indirectly threaten employers businesses, especially with the privatising of the NHS, as employers would have to take on support staff to help disabled people in the workplace and it would also threaten the jobs of those already in employment, including but not limited to, employers massively increased operating costs and could very well see existing employees taxes massively rise, removing the incentive to work for many, able bodied and disabled alike - there are also so many workplace laws that employers have to comply with, such as health and safety laws and employing a disabled person or someone with a mental health condition or hidden disability could be in breach of these many laws - disabled people and those on benefits still contribute to the U.K. economy and it would be incredibly foolish to cut benefits to sick and disabled people, even more so if the government tried to scrap the benefits system altogether, which some have suggested the government appear to be moving towards
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Yes, Sarah! , but maybe a dedicated/different thread, perhaps. There are many scriptures that give comfort, and I read an app Bible verse before dropping to sleep! - but wake up about 3 am to take my headphones off! 🙄
Edit: not just verse of the day, but a thought of the day. A great one was this - to someone in “dark” places: John Milton found great treasures in the darkness of his blind-ness and said “Sometimes a dark tunnel is the shortest way around a hill ”4 -
Also they are wiping out billions from the local economy.
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Doesn't look like they've given us any say in the green paper whatsoever. We are costing the country a lot of money. We are increasing year by year. We are getting too much money. Nothing new. They make the rules and we have to go along with it.
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The Spring Statement is tomorrow. I'm nervous. What can we expect to learn about the proposed benefit cuts and is there a possibility of further welfare cuts not included in the Green Paper?
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Hi luvpink, remember we will all see this nonsense through, together.
As Much as I've hit rock bottom, I'm telling myself we might have some of the proposals watered down, at least.
Be kind to yourself darling.
It's a 'living hell' atm.....but we will get through it and hopefully things won't be as bad as we all fear !!!!!
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thanks, which category do i use please ?
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@sarah_lea12 and @Tonypiano777 A daily devotional thread would be great 🙏
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Everyone….ive just watched the news. There was a brief article about Rachel Reeves disasterous mini budget which will take place tommorow. They said the news is seeking submissions. from groups and individuals about how the spring statement will affect you…..if anyone is game to do this there is a form you can fill in on the bbc website, link below,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/send/u187894196
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I've just filled that out now. Thank you for the link. Are submissions being taken tomorrow?
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I just took the new PIP test and scored 17 and 24. This was based on what I believe they cannot argue with, I could in theory receive more points.
I have to say I'm undecided on this new 4 points thing. On one hand, I can see how many many people will be effected and the knock on affect, but, I also see how many, who may not have many struggles and can live a fairly normal life, can score low on a number of descriptors and still qualify. I say this because just this week I have discovered two friends receive PIP and I am quite shocked. One is getting married, works full time, flies around the world on their own and is more than capable of being independent regarding cooking, washing etc. The other has some difficulties in social areas and going out, but can manage all other areas independently. I am fully aware I don't see everything, but it does also explain why many people assume people are pulling a fast one regarding disability benefits.1 -
@onlymeagain When it comes to myself, I only claim for my mental health disability so to others, I seem like I can do everything perfectly well but, as you said, not everything is seen and in reality, I struggle a lot with certain issues that lead me to qualify for PIP.
For the 4 points rule, if I was awarded correctly, I wouldn't necessarily need to worry about myself too much because I would've got 4 points on at least one descriptor. Due to being awarded incorrectly, thanks to the assessor that lied on certain points, I do not qualify for PIP at all with the 4 points rule.
Even if I did qualify, I would still be just as angry. I feel it's just a moral standpoint. There's that on top of so many other cuts/changes that will negatively impact those with disabilities and it's just wrong what the Government are doing. Especially trying to justify it as a moral decision to save money on their abysmal budget.
(I just want to add that this comment is not an attempt to come at you. I really hope that it didn't come across like that and I'm so sorry if it did, I'll remove if you want me to. I think it's just tiredness/late night posting. Good indication I need to head to bed!)
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They want to run the story tommorow I believe……that’s what they said on the news. Good on ye for filling it in! I’m in the process of filling it in
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