Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

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  • William01
    William01 Online Community Member Posts: 25 Connected

    Hope this is OK, copy pasted conclusion from AI, about the role of ECHR and the potential consequences for uk law

    In Conclusion:

    Yes, an ECtHR judgment finding that a new UK law violates the European Convention on Human Rights can indeed lead to the law being overturned or amended. It exerts significant legal and political pressure on the UK government to take action to ensure compliance with its international human rights obligations. The Human Rights Act 1998 further strengthens the impact of these judgments within the UK legal system.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing
  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Yes UK courts have to take into account any ECHR rulings. We're signed up to that. But ECHR judgements can't directly overturn UK law, they can only challenge law(s) on human rights grounds. The ultimate arbiter of UK law is UK judges who take into account any ECHR rulings as part of their judgements.

    We're really getting into the weeds on this one. To say this is complicated would be a massive understatement. 😂

    What should allow you to rest easier is knowing there are many good people who will be using every tool available to them to fight on our behalf.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 178 Empowering

    Well....again , we've heard the same rhetoric......it's all about 'working people', and getting ('forcing') disabled and vulnerable people into 'work'.

    I must say she has 'blundered' her way through this statement...stuttering and stammering, because she knows she's completely inept and incompetent,

    Special thanks though to Rachel Maskell , Labour MP ,who just 'spoke up for us'.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 377 Trailblazing

    Overall, it is estimated that in 2029/30 there will be 3.2 million families – some current recipients and some future recipients - who will financially lose as a result of this package, with an average loss of £1,720 per year compared to inflation. There are also estimated to be 3.8 million families - some current recipients and some future recipients - who will financially gain from this package, with an average gain of £420 per year compared to inflation


    according to the impact assessment

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    it was online on the benefits and work website. I don’t know how to copy and paste but it basically said they’re putting it to the vote to try and get past the courts. But if you read my reply from mawempathy above and William they both state the echr does have power if it’s against our legal rights. Sorry to worry you Catherine x

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 377 Trailblazing

    who will financially gain from this package, with an average gain of £420 per year compared to inflation

    can someone explain who could be better off by £420 a year? I just can’t work it out or who are thinking about?

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 178 Empowering

    Reeves just said "just because people are disabled doesn't mean they can't work", this was in rely to the Labour mp from Bradford who challenged her about the harm of 'cuts' to the most vulnerable.

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    So if you have pip over the date due to come into effect will you be moved over ?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    But they just done investigation on dwp ?? Haven't heard outcome from that

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    No I appreciate you replying did ant mps say anything was it thier time to say anything sorry to ask so many questions

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 377 Trailblazing

    you fail to mention the creation of the unemployment insurance, which will substitute ESA CB. Which means that those receiving it will lose £5000 a year plus lose their NI contributions towards a future pension

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 377 Trailblazing

    im confused as how did the DWP came up with those figures!!!

    If you lose your PIP daily living allowance, as it stands in hats nearly £73 a week. You’ll also lose your health element in UC which is about £95 a week I think.

    That’s like losing £9000 a year!!!

    That’s not £1700. ****

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 377 Trailblazing

    I don’t think that’s very good, that a letter shared online fails to mention key elements of the benefits cut that will affect generations to come condemning them to a life in poverty

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    It's Discrimination at its finest was this the only topic ??? Vile they won't get away with it throwing everything at the book to see what gets through

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1007454#Comment_1007454

    it was just the benefits and work website. No interviews or anything. I don’t know how to post it here for you as I’m not that good at that but you can read it on their website. It sent me into a panic but mawempathy explained things and it put my mind at rest . I don’t know if you saw my earlier post about the justice journals latest video regarding ASD. Apparently she helped someone with autism who was found cured by the DWP! The woman who does the channel worked for the dwp and took them to court .

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