Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

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  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    Sophy Ridge, Sky News has just twitted this.

    '50,000 children will be pushed into poverty as a result of the changes to welfare - and a total of 250,000 peopleThat's according to the Gvt's own impact assessment.'

    Several Labour MPs already expressing their disquiet.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 134 Empowering

    I think those figures are manipulated. The number would be much higher.

    The loss of income figure was manipulated excessively

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    Totally agree with you @alexroda. I don't believe that figure for a minute.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 620 Trailblazing

    where did you hear that Catherine? I know she asked for ppl to come forward . Amazing .

  • A_Z1961
    A_Z1961 Online Community Member Posts: 56 Contributor

    @pinkrose "Well....again , we've heard the same rhetoric......it's all about 'working people', and getting ('forcing') disabled and vulnerable people into 'work".

    Unfortunately this applies to the over 60s as well who may have worked 30, 40, 50 years already and now cannot due to ongoing and additional age related health issues . Yet they keep putting state pension age up, and for women of a certain age who started work in the mid 1970s (on much lower wages than men) we have had 7 extra years (come 2026 when it goes up to 67) added which is completely unfair. We are kept stuck in this system and processes and forced to work, job search, go on pointless courses, retraining etc . Many of us will never work again because we are unable too. If we do work we certainly wont work full time or earn enough whereby we continue to pay tax.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,745 Championing

    She did a talk not today after this came out and she said they can get the government on some things can't remember and said if anyone wants to come forward to take to court she said 20 already come forward so I definitely be more now she said she's scared but she's more knowledgeable as been defending disabled fir years

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,745 Championing

    They are digging themselves a grave you cannot be in government and say we are for the working people!! Thier meant to be for the whole of uk that in it's self is discrimination also that is causing hate crime the echr will look at all of it I bet people who aren't disabled mouths fell to the floor I caught a clip she comes on very aggressive dehumanising us how the government do to people over years if you want society to start hating on people you make out thier playing the system they have cars rent council tax you have noting WHEN will people wake up and see 👀 it's all of us all of us I bet lawyers looking at this like whoa carry on love two years did with BOATS hope hotel probley money 💰 people salivating at the mouth yh get them on the planes .... was deemed unlawful think what they could do with all the money if they didn't have a welfare state let them keep talking people are watching clever people with notebook and pen all they done is keep threatening us carry on carry on they say 3.2 make that 5.2 alot of people will not lay down maybe if they left pip alone would have been easier for them watch this space

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,745 Championing

    Dont worry they won't get away with this ! We will start seeing movements now people moving into action people who know what thier doing x

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 183 Pioneering

    Will any of this actually stand up legally? I mean where is the line between reforming and discrimination? Labour have to adhere to their own Equalities Act 2010 do they not?

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 160 Empowering

    Wishing Your mum all the best Danny. Take care. Xxx

  • soldcb
    soldcb Online Community Member Posts: 22 Contributor

    Yes, they’ve conveniently neglected to mention anything about CA. I doubt many people outside of those in receipt of PIP or AA will know how that world be impacted at the loss of them. That means the financial loss will be far worse than they’re suggesting.

    I couldn’t watch it all, but we’re not any clearer what’s happening to those on CB ESA(old style) Support Group are we?

  • unsure65
    unsure65 Online Community Member Posts: 42 Contributor

    How will the UC basic raise work with ESA? will everyone get that extra £28? because if the LCWRA is frozen does that mean no one in that group will see a raise over all as the deductions kick in?

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 134 Empowering
    edited March 26

    The Resolution Foundation:

    “They argue that the chancellor did not need to concentrate the pain on welface cuts. Extending the freeze in personal tax thresholds by just a single year would have saved almost as much (£3.9bn in 2029-30) and would have been shared far more widely across 24 million households, they say”.

    That would have been the sensible thing to do. Giving you ample time to liase with charities etc regarding changing the welfare system and make sensible reforms.

    Maybe, she’ll do that (extend the freeze on personal tax threshold) in the Autumn budget as her headroom will vanish again.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,745 Championing

    II'm in support group severe group haven't been charged over yet what will it be stopped

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,745 Championing

    Same wishing you and your mum well yes honestly it's scary but 3 years alot of time for charities court cases they won't know what day of the week it is all the best

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,745 Championing

    They are true gentleman if England could of had any of these two as pm gosh what a wonderful world it would be instead we have vultures

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 204 Empowering

    questions now

  • Topcat71
    Topcat71 Online Community Member Posts: 86 Empowering

    Let's hope it takes a few years before it becomes law and by that time it nearly be Election time and to not face adding 1 million rejected pip persons to the jobless total before a election they rethink the whole thing. I am so happy the prime minister mum did not have to go through all this stress during her disability years. Also the deputy prime Minister family who received benefits for over 50 years are now also not going through all this. This brings me so much peace..

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,745 Championing

    Well I'm not the sharpest tool in the box starmer is ! Even I can see it's oozing out of them thier total discontent for we are a party for the working people Big time discrimination lying fabrication of numbers causing hate crime just so many to say they actually think thier above the courts laws starmer pulled up by supreme courts for not going through official protocol sending money abroad I'm hoping echr get involved then maybe alot of mps don't want to be involved in that let's see I believe will be a massive revolt courts the lot