Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

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  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 204 Empowering

    I don't deny anything. I accept that in any system there will be cheats, it's human nature.

    However, what you said is there are over diagnoses in certain circumstances. Who do you believe is involved in this? Medics? DWP Assessors?

    You said in certain circumstances, this over diagnosis occurs, as did I regarding previous under diagnosis.

    So, I'd start with previous under diagnosis of, say, Autism or Dyslexia. It's clear, to me at least, and there were children in my classes at school who were let down as no one looked beyond their "lack of intelligence" or "weirdness".

    Or my father in law suffering years of undiagnosed agony/fatigue from what would now most likely be recognised as Fibromyalga or CPS and treated accordingly.

    Care to share which diagnoses you've decided are over diagnosed by scammers and/or nscrupulous medics?

    I'm genuinely interested in which conditions and which medics you believe are involved in this. Not least to see if you have some useful research or insight to back up your assertion of over diagnosis which, I believe, is very different to an individual scamming the system.

    To repeat, I am genuinely interested to hear what conditions and also the evidence, research, experience or unique insight that supports your assertion.

  • waylander9602
    waylander9602 Online Community Member Posts: 7 Connected
  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 82 Empowering
    edited April 3

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  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

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  • Maggie37
    Maggie37 Online Community Member Posts: 72 Empowering

    Just what might seem a minor point but could be a tipping point( for the wholeUK actually?)Steven Flynn who is the Westminster SNP leader is planner to leave London and rejoin the Scottish Parliament. He is a very vocal opposing voice to the Benefit cuts. Flynn is undoubtedly a candidate for leadership of the Scottish Parliament. This will happen in the next two years. I’m not an anti unionist but I do believe in SNP policies which are left. Scotland contributes 4/5 times to the national GDP than Wales, twice as much as Northern Ireland.. it’s pretty much next to London? A Scotland who completely opposes these Benefit Reforms is very likely IMO. Starmer will not alienate the Scottish Parliament because given his defence moves.. all the UK’s nuclear deterrent is in Scotland. The King is part Scottish.. all the oil is here. I pray that we set up at rival disability system that challenges the UK whole. We already have ADP rather than PIP. The assessment is different. I’ve been assessed on both systems.. very different. Will they risk an alternative in a year or two under Steven Flynn? I don’t see it.. so many variables, so much hassle. Wales won’t even send the changes to it’s disabled constituents? They disagree with it so fiercely?

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 204 Empowering

    @Maggie37 I love how Sarwar is talking like he'll be next FM.

    Starmer's own ambitions appear to have successfully wrecked those of so many Labour politicians/wannabe Labour politicians.

    Sarwar's delusion, and Starmer's cutthroat selfish ambition, are two of very few things keeping me entertained in the current climate!

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 147 Empowering
  • Dianaf
    Dianaf Online Community Member Posts: 71 Empowering

    I read only 7 mps are going to vote against the cuts. The rest have been threatened by starmer not to vote against the cuts or else.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 908 Championing

    PIP, Now ADP in Scotland is already devolved. We can have the lot devolved, but that might not help if the Barnett Block Grant is reduced.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 908 Championing

    Would that be the millionaire Anas Sarwar MSP? He's got some neck supporting his master's policies on Social Security.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 147 Empowering
    edited April 3

    Sustainability expert and professor Mike Berners-Lee:

    “If somebody deliberately misleads the public, it tells the public immediately, that they are not on their side”

    Starmer, Kendall and Reeves, DWP and OBR misleading regarding these changes and impacts, just tells you that NONE of them are on our side.

    And everyone else in the cabinet that are aware of these lies who arent challenging these lies aren’t on our side.

  • Maggie37
    Maggie37 Online Community Member Posts: 72 Empowering

    Yes I know. I sawKendall threatening that during her speech but was minor point as far as I saw it. There is NO way they can bypass major policy change in Scotland. They’d crash the economy. I think Flynn’s move is leadership bid for Scottish Parliament. I also don’t think Nicola is finished.. despite her assurances.

  • Maggie37
    Maggie37 Online Community Member Posts: 72 Empowering

    I think he’s done. Starmers policies don’t sit well with Scottish culture which is essentially Scandinavian in political bent. I hope Stephen Flynn bests him eventually.

  • Middleton
    Middleton Online Community Member Posts: 249 Empowering

    Thats a long way to finally admit that there are con artists lol

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,806 Championing

    Shame on them there's legal challenges that will happen weak there is so much uproar I thought more would disagree with it

  • Middleton
    Middleton Online Community Member Posts: 249 Empowering
    edited April 3

    "Side"? Hopefully the truth will be on your side; so that when you renew or apply for PIP, you'll be able to have you bespoke say on your symptoms

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 147 Empowering

    who is telling you that I’m on PIP lol

    Don’t assume anything mate

  • gamer1
    gamer1 Online Community Member Posts: 71 Empowering
    edited April 3

    Yes there are people who are abusing the benefits but it's more the gov allowing it to happen than a complicated fraud by con artists. Even then it is up to the work coach to decide if you can apply for LCWRA.

    Personally I had to go through 2 assessments, one was an unofficial one by the work coach at the job centre and the other by WCA. Both were around an hour long and yes I had to argue and fight for it.

    So I feel it unfair if people are just easily conning benefits but in my experience it was not that easy. There are facebook groups and people who actually help people claim PIP successfully and I believe people are using those to con benefits.

    Yes there are a lot of people who seem fine that are claiming disability and could be working and probably getting other benefits too, they have now affected genuine people who need help. Also because WCA is point based question, those that can navigate it and understand it will be awarded it and those that find it difficult will not which is unfair. So you get those better of and could be working getting benefits and those that do not understand it do not get it. It is very unfair. Also the reforms can happen without affecting how much people get.

    However saying that I believe welfare state is underfunded. Disability is under diagnosed. Government need to fund it.