Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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I think if you know of anybody who is fraudulently claiming any benefits, including down to ill health or disability. Then you should report it.
That the system needs reform, that’s clear, but alongside charities and the disabled community.
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Yes, it needs reform by them funding it properly, it is the only way. Remove the WCA, let local jobcentre and work coaches decide if a person needs disability. Leave people who have lifelong illnesses alone, include mental health criteria in PIP. Don't reduce it, fund it.
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Also PIP is a lot harder to qualify than LCWRA and I think a lot on LCWRA can qualify for PIP but have not applied. They need to think about that, of course they won't do it.
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You'd be surprised how quick the gov can get it done if they want to do it.
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maybe the rise is because we have gone through a pandemic, where millions of people in the UK have developed long covid. That’s statistically proven and we have let the virus run free for whatever reasons.
This is not only a UK problem, other countries are suffering from the same issues.
The media are manipulating and misleading the figures regarding this. Every few weeks they change the parameters, the compared countries etc they are a joke
I read the other day that in Spain or Italy 12% of their working age population is off on long term sickness.
The impact of COVID is understated by everyone.
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it will be a whitewash, why even bother.
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We've launched a new inquiry on the Government’s welfare reform proposalsThe inquiry will examine@DWPgovuk's planned changes to disability and health-related benefits, announced by@leicesterlizlast month and are contained in the Pathways to Work Green Paper0 -
Saw this on Dr Jay Watts X page.
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Most people think agoraphobic cannot go out at all. That is simplistic and wrong. People with agoraphobia often leave home in certain limited circumstances. You have bravely cited your own. Perhaps the person of whom you write can only venture out alone without the pressure of people around him.
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I’m sorry just feel so down about it all.
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Hi everyone,
I just watched Disability talk with Steve . Apparently the work and pensions committee is launching a benefit inquiry into the proposed benefits cuts .
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not at all as Debbie is one of the few good ones and it's a cross party board
Completely wrong! She's even more insincere than Stephen Timms, the man she replaced.
Was a healthcare professional herself before Work and Pensions. No, not a good one!
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The problem is that, when you start reiterating and validating the idea that 'some people are cheating', you are actually causing harm to disabled people, especially those whose disabilities are less easy to codify in the current system.
The DWP's official stats for fraud in PIP are negligible (0%) and ESA are very low as well. The DWP are not friends to disabled people, and many, many claimants have struggled to prove their claims, gone through tribunals, had issues with assessments and reports…this forum is full of those testimonials. This is good evidence that the DWP is not letting people claim disability benefits or related benefits easily. If even the DWP - who want to monitor our banks for fraud - think there isn't much or even any going on, then it probably isn't.
When disabled people start questioning other disabled people, that's when we lose this fight. It ultimately comes down to - "I know I'm disabled, but I don't know you are, so maybe you're not". Or worse, "My disability affects me like this, but yours affects you differently, so maybe you're not really disabled." These are all ideas floating around at the moment, in the media, on social media, and in comments sections on threads and stories.
This is not a rhetoric we should jump on board with.
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These changes to LCW and LCWRA were planned way back in 2011. The last two welfare reform Acts need to be revisited and understood - the WRA 2012 and the changes to substantial risk rules in 2016.
Those were cross-party agreements! It's a stitch up.
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Good points. I'm not validating it. I am saying some people know how to navigate the point scoring WCA and others don't. It is unfair like that.
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Labour said no more pocket money. These people don't live in the real word most of the little money they give goes to energy bills and council and VAT on goods. They have no idea. They make me laugh, they have no idea at all.
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Our money goes back into the economy while they get pay rise, claim concert tickets and other things while they themselves never pay for it.
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I think it's incredibly naive to believe absolutely no-one is able to cheat the system to obtain disability benefits.
Does anyone else remember the old advert from the 1970s/80s? Tagline: Behind every scheme, there's a schemer ….
That's what I believe, it's in some humans' nature to cheat. Look to tax avoidance, infidelity, draft-dodging in times of war etc. as proof of that.
Does that mean there is wide-spread, systemic abuse of the system as promoted by the right-wing media? I tend to think not.
As mentioned upthread, if you "know" someone is cheating the system, report them. However, the only way you can possibly "know" they are cheating is via access to their application form, their assessment interview, and their life behind closed doors.
If you don't have access to all of those, then you "know" nothing really, don't you?
Cynicism, suspicion, jealousy and bullying are, sadly, also elements of human nature.
It's depressing to see those traits openly aired on a forum such as this. A forum where the majority of contributors are the very ones who are likely to be on the receiving end of such unattractive traits/behaviour from others.
Orwell was right.
Some on this forum appear to be going down the route of some disabilities being more equal than others.
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