Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Shame on them there's legal challenges that will happen weak there is so much uproar I thought more would disagree with it
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"Side"? Hopefully the truth will be on your side; so that when you renew or apply for PIP, you'll be able to have you bespoke say on your symptoms
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who is telling you that I’m on PIP lol
Don’t assume anything mate
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Yes there are people who are abusing the benefits but it's more the gov allowing it to happen than a complicated fraud by con artists. Even then it is up to the work coach to decide if you can apply for LCWRA.
Personally I had to go through 2 assessments, one was an unofficial one by the work coach at the job centre and the other by WCA. Both were around an hour long and yes I had to argue and fight for it.
So I feel it unfair if people are just easily conning benefits but in my experience it was not that easy. There are facebook groups and people who actually help people claim PIP successfully and I believe people are using those to con benefits.
Yes there are a lot of people who seem fine that are claiming disability and could be working and probably getting other benefits too, they have now affected genuine people who need help. Also because WCA is point based question, those that can navigate it and understand it will be awarded it and those that find it difficult will not which is unfair. So you get those better of and could be working getting benefits and those that do not understand it do not get it. It is very unfair. Also the reforms can happen without affecting how much people get.
However saying that I believe welfare state is underfunded. Disability is under diagnosed. Government need to fund it.
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You make many valid points👍
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I Don't think he meant in a malice way sometimes messages come over quite different online than face to face
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I was mentally ill from aged 7 , went to a special school , never had any help once I left school, I've had mental illness since and it has not got better. I have a letter from my GP dated in 2014 stating that I have suffered depression and anxiety since 1973, i send this with my pip form, no point in paying for another letter as its the same , no change . I've had agoraphobia since a child , i don't eat solid foods as i have a fear of choking , but this was not accepted in my pip form , but I also need tablets crushed and use a crusher , that will be going on the review too .
It is terrible how we are ignored .
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That's a short way of saying:
- I have no evidence of over diagnosis.
- I have done no research into the frequency of overdiagnosis.
- I cannot, by any measure, back up my assertion that in certain circumstances over diagnosis exists.
- And, potentially, I read right-wing propaganda, lapping it up as gospel without independent thought.
- When I'm called out on my assertion, I attempt to change the question (from alleged over diagnosis to people defrauding the system) and mock the questioner.
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I am not going on any research but just going on what I think where the rise from claimants has come and why. I could be wrong and everyone on disability benefits could be genuinely disabled, unable to work, limited capability. I am not going to tell you that people are not taking advantage of it because I think some people are. I could be completely wrong.
That is not to say the gov can reduce peoples money or make it harder to apply for it. Yes, the gov has used this narrative as propaganda to go against welfare. At the same time there are people who seem genuinely fine that claim it. The question is how can you measure disability? You can't. It affects everyone differently.
The thing I am implying here is rather than saying there definitely is benefit fraud, I am saying many people who should be getting disability are not getting it because the gov has made it so hard and are making it harder by using this argument as a narrative and propaganda. It is based on a decades old criteria. We have many disabilities now in this modern age. Modern times mean modern disabilities. The gov need to realize this and not reduce it but fund it.
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Well they won't ever be voted in again , the money in their banks is obviously more important than doing their job they were elected for by looking after their people. But they are done for .
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I know one person who got PIP for being agoraphobic, but he is always out on his own , that's not agoraphobic in my opinion . I am agoraphobic I don't go out of the house without my husband . I'm never left alone either because I am phobic about everything .
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I think if you know of anybody who is fraudulently claiming any benefits, including down to ill health or disability. Then you should report it.
That the system needs reform, that’s clear, but alongside charities and the disabled community.
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Yes, it needs reform by them funding it properly, it is the only way. Remove the WCA, let local jobcentre and work coaches decide if a person needs disability. Leave people who have lifelong illnesses alone, include mental health criteria in PIP. Don't reduce it, fund it.
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Also PIP is a lot harder to qualify than LCWRA and I think a lot on LCWRA can qualify for PIP but have not applied. They need to think about that, of course they won't do it.
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You'd be surprised how quick the gov can get it done if they want to do it.
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maybe the rise is because we have gone through a pandemic, where millions of people in the UK have developed long covid. That’s statistically proven and we have let the virus run free for whatever reasons.
This is not only a UK problem, other countries are suffering from the same issues.
The media are manipulating and misleading the figures regarding this. Every few weeks they change the parameters, the compared countries etc they are a joke
I read the other day that in Spain or Italy 12% of their working age population is off on long term sickness.
The impact of COVID is understated by everyone.
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it will be a whitewash, why even bother.
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