Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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"Side"? Hopefully the truth will be on your side; so that when you renew or apply for PIP, you'll be able to have you bespoke say on your symptoms
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Yes there are people who are abusing the benefits but it's more the gov allowing it to happen than a complicated fraud by con artists. Even then it is up to the work coach to decide if you can apply for LCWRA.
Personally I had to go through 2 assessments, one was an unofficial one by the work coach at the job centre and the other by WCA. Both were around an hour long and yes I had to argue and fight for it.
So I feel it unfair if people are just easily conning benefits but in my experience it was not that easy. There are facebook groups and people who actually help people claim PIP successfully and I believe people are using those to con benefits.
Yes there are a lot of people who seem fine that are claiming disability and could be working and probably getting other benefits too, they have now affected genuine people who need help. Also because WCA is point based question, those that can navigate it and understand it will be awarded it and those that find it difficult will not which is unfair. So you get those better of and could be working getting benefits and those that do not understand it do not get it. It is very unfair. Also the reforms can happen without affecting how much people get.
However saying that I believe welfare state is underfunded. Disability is under diagnosed. Government need to fund it.
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You make many valid points👍
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I was mentally ill from aged 7 , went to a special school , never had any help once I left school, I've had mental illness since and it has not got better. I have a letter from my GP dated in 2014 stating that I have suffered depression and anxiety since 1973, i send this with my pip form, no point in paying for another letter as its the same , no change . I've had agoraphobia since a child , i don't eat solid foods as i have a fear of choking , but this was not accepted in my pip form , but I also need tablets crushed and use a crusher , that will be going on the review too .
It is terrible how we are ignored .
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That's a short way of saying:
- I have no evidence of over diagnosis.
- I have done no research into the frequency of overdiagnosis.
- I cannot, by any measure, back up my assertion that in certain circumstances over diagnosis exists.
- And, potentially, I read right-wing propaganda, lapping it up as gospel without independent thought.
- When I'm called out on my assertion, I attempt to change the question (from alleged over diagnosis to people defrauding the system) and mock the questioner.
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I am not going on any research but just going on what I think where the rise from claimants has come and why. I could be wrong and everyone on disability benefits could be genuinely disabled, unable to work, limited capability. I am not going to tell you that people are not taking advantage of it because I think some people are. I could be completely wrong.
That is not to say the gov can reduce peoples money or make it harder to apply for it. Yes, the gov has used this narrative as propaganda to go against welfare. At the same time there are people who seem genuinely fine that claim it. The question is how can you measure disability? You can't. It affects everyone differently.
The thing I am implying here is rather than saying there definitely is benefit fraud, I am saying many people who should be getting disability are not getting it because the gov has made it so hard and are making it harder by using this argument as a narrative and propaganda. It is based on a decades old criteria. We have many disabilities now in this modern age. Modern times mean modern disabilities. The gov need to realize this and not reduce it but fund it.
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Well they won't ever be voted in again , the money in their banks is obviously more important than doing their job they were elected for by looking after their people. But they are done for .
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I know one person who got PIP for being agoraphobic, but he is always out on his own , that's not agoraphobic in my opinion . I am agoraphobic I don't go out of the house without my husband . I'm never left alone either because I am phobic about everything .
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Yes, it needs reform by them funding it properly, it is the only way. Remove the WCA, let local jobcentre and work coaches decide if a person needs disability. Leave people who have lifelong illnesses alone, include mental health criteria in PIP. Don't reduce it, fund it.
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Also PIP is a lot harder to qualify than LCWRA and I think a lot on LCWRA can qualify for PIP but have not applied. They need to think about that, of course they won't do it.
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You'd be surprised how quick the gov can get it done if they want to do it.
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it will be a whitewash, why even bother.
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We've launched a new inquiry on the Government’s welfare reform proposalsThe inquiry will examine@DWPgovuk's planned changes to disability and health-related benefits, announced by@leicesterlizlast month and are contained in the Pathways to Work Green Paper0 -
Saw this on Dr Jay Watts X page.
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Most people think agoraphobic cannot go out at all. That is simplistic and wrong. People with agoraphobia often leave home in certain limited circumstances. You have bravely cited your own. Perhaps the person of whom you write can only venture out alone without the pressure of people around him.
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I’m sorry just feel so down about it all.
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Hi everyone,
I just watched Disability talk with Steve . Apparently the work and pensions committee is launching a benefit inquiry into the proposed benefits cuts .
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not at all as Debbie is one of the few good ones and it's a cross party board
Completely wrong! She's even more insincere than Stephen Timms, the man she replaced.
Was a healthcare professional herself before Work and Pensions. No, not a good one!
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The problem is that, when you start reiterating and validating the idea that 'some people are cheating', you are actually causing harm to disabled people, especially those whose disabilities are less easy to codify in the current system.
The DWP's official stats for fraud in PIP are negligible (0%) and ESA are very low as well. The DWP are not friends to disabled people, and many, many claimants have struggled to prove their claims, gone through tribunals, had issues with assessments and reports…this forum is full of those testimonials. This is good evidence that the DWP is not letting people claim disability benefits or related benefits easily. If even the DWP - who want to monitor our banks for fraud - think there isn't much or even any going on, then it probably isn't.
When disabled people start questioning other disabled people, that's when we lose this fight. It ultimately comes down to - "I know I'm disabled, but I don't know you are, so maybe you're not". Or worse, "My disability affects me like this, but yours affects you differently, so maybe you're not really disabled." These are all ideas floating around at the moment, in the media, on social media, and in comments sections on threads and stories.
This is not a rhetoric we should jump on board with.
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