Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

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  • apples
    apples Online Community Member Posts: 491 Empowering

    LBC this morning from 8-9 talking about benefit fraud

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 866 Championing
    edited April 4

    I dont think 18 year old work coaches is the best idea of deciding eligibility. You will easily get what happens now with the wider ignorant public, making decisions based on emotions and hear say.

    The existence of the WCA has merits, it can recognise and support people who have been let down by the NHS. The problem with the WCA really is the abusive way it has been implemented by successive governments in the aim of trying to use it as a tool for ideological purposes. Even with all that manipulation it has provided protection for people which has led to the government of taking the nuclear option of removing the entire sickness safety net. With proper fair meaningful descriptors along side a regulation 35, and without the attitude of we must reassess frequently it serves a purpose, but for people who have managed to get a diagnosis from the NHS that makes it clear in itself there would be challenges working the WCA could be bypassed.

    PIP I expect is heading in the DLA direction where the focus will be on diagnosis instead of functional problems, I expect all aid descriptors will be removed completely eventually and for those needs it will revert to DLA style of needing a carer to qualify. When instead they needed to ease the requirements for mobility, and perhaps add a lower rate daily living for 4 points. They have gone completely in the wrong direction, because of an ignorant population and ideologically drive in the country to not properly support people, the amount of comments I find on social media where people are only thinking about themselves is unreal, and I think the catalyst for this change was brexit. Once brexit was enacted, the anti benefit and anti immigration movements sky rocketed.

    It doesnt take much reading of comment sections and listening to LBC calls to realise how ignorant the population has become, every person claiming to know a dozen fraudsters, PIP cars and so on, it has become fashionable to lie about it now as if its all a game. These people remain ignorant as although they primarily complaining about mental health and PIP cars, they not realising the 4 point change is primarily targeting daily living physical conditions when someone has issues doing multiple daily tasks (typically multiple adaptation descriptors). Nothing to do with what they moaning about, yet they support it blindly. The presenters at LBC are very good at what they do, I have listened to multiple calls where they managed to get the caller admit they making it all up. That takes some doing.

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 866 Championing
    edited April 4

    I have seen someone else mention it is seeded in an earlier change as well, but I would love a link to these two acts so I can read myself, because if it was in those acts then surely it would have led to changes been enacted earlier, so I would prefer to read these acts. But maybe I can skip that, If I am right you mean the planned removal of LCW/LCWRA in their entirety?

    We need Greens and Lib dems to merge, for some reason they wont do it, the latest polling graph has Tories, Labour and Reform at the low 20s support, if Lib Dems and Greens merged, they would have combined 23%.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering
    edited April 4

    watch from 02:55 till 04:05

    Lies lies and more lies and no one is doing anything about it. Then they accuse Donald Trump for lying. Well these lot are on equal footing to him

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,497 Championing

    I made a FOI request to see whether the government could have frozen PIP rates - which was originally suggested as an option.

    "The relevant primary legislation here is section 150 of the Social Security Administration Act 1992, which places a statutory duty on the Secretary of State to review the rates of benefits and pensions each year, following a review of trends in prices and earnings over the previous year. The Social Security Administration Act 1992 requires that Personal Independence Payment (PIP) must increase by at least the growth in prices.


    The relevant secondary legislation is Article 15 of the Social Security Benefits Up-rating Or-
    der 2025 (S.I. 2025/295),
    which increases the rates from April 2025."

    So - NO they couldn't

  • gamer1
    gamer1 Online Community Member Posts: 70 Empowering
    edited April 4

    I agree with you with most things.

    I don't think age matters as long as the right training is provided, and how do we know the age of current WCA staff, they could also be 18. How do you know the next batch of staff won't be outsourced to a company for cheap? Why are these unknown people determining who is disabled and who is not?

    The WCA might have some merit but there are a lot of problems with it, the main being it does not cover all disabilities. Now they are going to make it harder and technically remove LCWRA.

    Yes, the propaganda has been around a very long time about people conning the system and the gov having no money because of it, the gov have no problem finding the money when they need to. It is a lie, someone is probably getting rich off these reforms that is why it is happening. If they wanted to tackle fraud claims they only had to make the descriptors tougher, why are they reducing the money, it doesn't make sense. They are using the propaganda to take from the disabled that is what it is about.

    They can't remove descriptors from PIP or LCWRA because what will follow will be unthinkable. We will be third world. Millions will be affected and millions more in the future. Disability is only going to rise. The only thing they can do if they do not want to invest in the wider society is fund welfare more. I think the gov is making a big mistake with current reforms, they will have to reconsider the reforms otherwise I don't think anything good will come of it.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    That annoys me the people on FB tiktok giving tips alot of people never knew about pip but I'm sure dwp see the forms copied word for word I always write my own way from my heart but that is annoying I agree

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    I'd never want job coach deciding if I'm well enough for work

  • egister
    egister Posts: 841 Empowering

    Help with backroom organising if you cant take to the streets,

    A good idea, but impossible for most disabled people.
    We need to find out who BESIDES disabled people
    doesn't benefit from cuts in payments to disabled people and other vulnerable people.

  • Gregam
    Gregam Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener
  • Gregam
    Gregam Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener

    Forgive me if I have missed it, when are the changes for LCWRA and PIP coming into action?

    Thanks in advance

  • gamer1
    gamer1 Online Community Member Posts: 70 Empowering

    Now every news article is about PIP because of Labour meaning more people will apply for it.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    I agree as someone with invisible disabilities my neighbours probley think same of me clean do hair make up which is a mask I actually won't be seen without it so the struggle is real saying hello having 5 minute conversations laughing joking is a mask put me around people for 8 hours a day I will crumble it's awful

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    You was so right about timms I thought oh great when they said he'd be disabilities minster boy was I wrong

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    Yh not a good conversation to have like physical disabilities verse mental health was pne comment i seen when talking of benefit cuts one person why dont they go for mental health and leave physical disabilities alone wow and my thoughts was no ones above anyone anyway touchy subject and so not good

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    Be reassessed put down to lwc and eventually job searches i cant work so yes my main worry is lwcra

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    Also if labour push through green paper may not enough time for people to challenge it in court like did we tories and labour have been hiring influences all through campaign up till now doesn't surprise me

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    So you lose lwcra pip and some people carers as well