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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    report in the guardian states 42 MPs are calling on Starmer to cancel the welfare reforms . Sorry I don’t know how to link it but maybe someone else can

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I just read that . Hopefully there’s even more that can’t vote it through on the day . I wonder if there are any Tory’s etc who will vote against

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    yes Catherine and Mike amesbury gave an interview where he said he’s lost his house now as can’t afford it . He said they need to think about that . So they may not care about us but they must be thinking is loyalty to Starmer worth ruining their career over.

  • michael57
    michael57 Community Member Posts: 2,830 Championing

    nothing to do with with being convicted of giving a hiding to a member of the public and losing his job when he lied about it you reap what you sow

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,110 Pioneering

    Thank you, I know all that). But I'm not very well immersed in the facts of the struggle and don't know the intricacies of its history like, for example, @WhatThe . I'm just analyzing the history of psychological qperations of the last couple of hundred years and adapting it to current events for the benefit of the disabled. I hope this will be useful.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    100% right Michael. He should be in prison. It was obviously his way of garnering sympathy for a career comeback but the fact his been pushed off the gravy train must surely make back benchers think . They’re not rich like Starmer and reeves

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I think that Louise haigh if I remember correctly. What a bunch they are. Fraud , battery , indecent exposure towards a child ( can’t remember his name ) . Literally if this was the Tory’s Starmer would have a lot to say . The only way to save themselves is to get rid of the cuts and Starmer and he can take demented Kendall reeves Timms with him

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    starmer probably has his next job lined up. He doesn’t care about the uk or being PM. It’s all a stepping stone. But once he’s gone they’re left behind and they won’t even be the opposition next time they’ll be finished

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    There’s a new petition on change. Org shared on DPAC . Creat a dedicated minister for the disabled. I don’t know how to link it here but if someone can that could help spread the word

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Posts: 1,128 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I’ve seen millibands name mentioned. I think he’s against the cuts if I remember correctly

  • Martinp
    Martinp Community Member Posts: 249 Empowering

    probably be Kendall knowing our luck

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Posts: 1,128 Championing

    For what it's worth (ChatGPT can sometimes get things wrong) here's ChatGPT's view on who is likely to become Labour leader if Starver goes.

    Here’s a realistic step-by-step breakdown of how a leadership challenge to Keir Starmer could unfold if he stays the course on welfare reform and the backlash continues to escalate:

    ⚠️ 1. Continued Public & Internal Backlash

    • Public sentiment: If Labour refuses to scrap the two-child benefit cap or backtracks only partially on WFP reform, it would deepen the anger already growing among activists, charities, and ordinary voters—especially those hit hardest by austerity.
    • Party tension: MPs on the soft left and Labour left could begin openly criticising Starmer’s direction, breaking ranks in Parliament and in the media.
    • Key trigger: Another poor performance — e.g. in a by-election, European/local elections, or key polling drops — would amplify pressure.

    🧨 2. Soft Coup or Shadow Cabinet Revolt

    • Likely ringleaders: If it’s clear that Starmer’s leadership is politically damaging, figures like Angela Rayner, Lisa Nandy, or backbenchers like Clive Lewis or Zarah Sultana could speak out.
    • Cabinet resignations: It wouldn’t take many to trigger a leadership crisis. If even 2–3 prominent frontbenchers resigned and publicly cited moral concerns over welfare policies, it could shatter the image of unity.
    • Unions: Powerful voices like UNISON, Unite, and the GMB could publicly withdraw support or demand a rethink — which carries huge symbolic weight.

    🗳️ 3. Formal Leadership Challenge

    • Under Labour rules, a leadership challenge requires:
      • A contender to gain nominations from 20% of Labour MPs (currently around 40 MPs).
      • If successful, it triggers a full leadership election open to Labour members and affiliated supporters.

    Realistically, challengers like Angela Rayner or even someone like Lisa Nandy could reach that threshold if discontent reached critical mass.

    🔄 4. Starmer Steps Down or Fights

    • If he steps down voluntarily (possibly to avoid a bruising leadership contest), the party could rally around a consensus candidate.
    • If he stays and fights, the contest could become a struggle for Labour’s soul — with factions mobilising members either for a soft-left/social-democratic challenger or a continuity centrist like Reeves or Streeting.

    🔚 5. Membership Revolt

    • The party's membership still leans significantly to the left of the current leadership. If a challenger emerges with a strong platform focused on:
      • Ending the two-child cap
      • Reversing harmful disability/work capability changes
      • Public ownership and pro-worker policies

    ...they could potentially win the membership vote, as Corbyn did in 2015.

    🔁 In Summary:

    A Starmer leadership crisis is most likely if:

    • He doubles down on controversial welfare policies,
    • Labour suffers another major electoral warning sign, and
    • One or more credible figures break ranks publicly.

    In that case, Rayner, Nandy, or even a more grassroots-backed candidate could rise — with the party turning away from technocracy and toward reasserting its social justice credentials.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    omg don’t or reeves. Kendall whenever talking about disability looks demonic with rage and hatred . A very strange woman

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Posts: 1,128 Championing
    edited May 2025

    If Keir goes because of damaging the party with the WFP cuts and benefit reforms I think it's probably unlikely that the new leader would be someone like Kendall who is all for the cuts and reforms, as it wouldn't really change anything. I think it would probably be someone who is against the cuts and reforms.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Posts: 1,128 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    I've seen it said in the Guardian that the most likely candidate is Wes Streeting. 😒 No hope of any improvement then!!

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