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Hi jasmine,
I went to the upper tier tribunal as the tribunal were awful and played up to the dwp rep who also turned up . Strangely and I don’t want to jinx myself but the dwp have been fine . It’s the assessors and tribunal’s I’ve had trouble with. The assessors are a law unto themselves and it’s luck who you get . That’s how some people don’t get the award they deserve imo . It’s then natural to question how someone may get more but you feel your condition affects you more . It’s not begrudging anyone but the system has no logic or predictability. I personally think there should be a descriptor for fatigue and pain. The actual questions are too vague and don’t cover pain and fatigue directly. The system needs changing but starmer only wants to change it to make it worse. I really hope they stop this 4 point rule nonsense and attaching lcwra to pip. Let’s see what the news is today as it seems they’re leaking bits of info already as they’re now worried
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Front page of I newspaper an article that claims sources have said 9 in 10 people will not lose pip while analysis shows most of those that will lose pip are in Labour heartlands . I can’t read the actual article as I’m not subscribed but I’m someone on here will once they see it
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Nowhere does the purported suggestion say that people who've currently the enhanced rate and have scored 12 points upon previous assessment would keep their award.
They suggest assessment to be on a 12 point based scoring system, and any claimant new or existing ones would need to score 12 points to get PIP, upon assessment for the new claimants and reassessment for the existing ones. There's no guarantee whatsoever that people who've now got the enhanced rate would keep their 12 point upon reassessment. Many claimants have already seen their points downgraded or withdrawn altogether upon reassessment.
We've got to understand that their aim is to "save £5 billion by 2030 from welfare cuts". And they say it loudly. They're all out to cut benefits. Otherwise, how else would they be able to save £5 bn from welfare cuts?
This is all about trying to fool MPs and the public.
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I agree and the sooner the better too. 😊
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Really! 😂 That sounds about right for someone who thinks that people are objects.
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Do you mean the article from I newspaper ? I haven’t read that so I don’t know what they’re saying the changes may be . It was elsewhere that they’re thinking one idea is to keep the 4 points but you pass is you get enhanced. So do you mean they could get rid of the 4 point rule but effectively also get rid of standard care ? So everyone on standard would no longer be disabled according to them . As you say on reassessment we can all lose a point . Thing is they can’t be that desperate to save money as what they hope to save from us they probably are giving to other benefits anyway. Plus the appeals will cost money and any court cases .
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I think that is a fairly reasonable response from Kemi Badendoch. I'm getting some decent replies from my MP who's Conservative too. 😊
However, it is self interest on their part as they will want to use whatever they can to critize Labour, as the Opposition.
It doesn't matter as long as it pushes our issues with the Labour leadership's welfare cuts forward.
Let's hope too that they may vote against the proposals, which is something they've hinted at. 🤞I've not asked my MP how he is going to vote as I don't think that I would get an answer!
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scope site problem or just me ? ….
i can't preview messages anymore using the drop down arrow
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I have same problem
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I newspaper reports on the high number of red wall who will lose pip . Daily express reports reeves going on a possible £100 billion spree in red wall areas . So is this trying to but back the votes they’ll lose due to people there losing pip ? Would be grateful if anyone who can read the I newspaper article could screenshot and post please
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Hi Squirrel 🐿️
That didn't sound as though it went very well for you. 😔 I am sorry to hear that.
It's quite true that it's the luck of the draw on the day, with who you get, whether they will be half way reasonable or completely unreasonable.
It is difficult, I agree to get the situation over to them with fatigue and in your case, pain. I hope that you might consider a suggestion from me.
Over many years now, most of the 21 years that I've had M. E. I have used Benefits and Work. Their benefits guides really do help you to word your answers in a way that the DWP will accept.
I'm afraid that their information costs £20 a year but I think that it's a small price to pay if it could save you thousands.
They also do guides on MR and appeals too.
Here's an article from the Fiancial Times that was put on here yesterday that you may have missed. It's good to see that they are backing down a little at last. It needs to be a lot more though.
I believe that the suggestion in the article that ministers may try to use to pursade the MPs who are rebelling against the cuts to back down is very unlikely to work. I think that MPs will want much more generous consessions than that, with what I have read about them.
I hope that you are not feeling too down after your experience. 😊
jul1aorways xx
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Same here - must be a scope problem
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ton1968Online Community Member Posts: 75 EmpoweringMay 10edited May 10Freedom of information request that was submitted to the DWP and a breakdown of who scores 4pts.
So this is good news for older people claiming PIP Daily Living!
Four times as many over 60's score 4 points or more on Enhanced DL than those who don't!
429,000 v 102,000
More older claimants score 4 points or more in at least one activity on Standard DL
53,000 v 11,000 teenagers (no surprise there)
More older claimants score 4 points or more in at least one activity on Enhanced DL
429,000 v 154,000 teenagers (no surprise there)
Once again, four times as many over 60's score 4 points or more on Enhanced DL than those who don't!
👌
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Morning juls,
Yes it can be quite devastating if you get bad luck during your pip assessment. Even the dwp agreed the tribunal had erred in law . Even the legal rep helping me had never come across anyone so unlucky . Over the years I think the ordeal has calmed down but now we find ourselves back at square one as labour have given the green light to the assessors to terrorise us again. It’s the unfairness in the system that I hate . Anyone who had my assessor would have been treated the same as me as she had no compassion just an agenda to refuse pip to anyone and everyone.
I read the Financial Times piece yesterday. I read it as they’ll keep the 4? Point rule but anyone who doesn’t get a 4 point but has a high score so get enhanced keeps pip. So standard is all but stopped , apart from the 13% who get a 4 on standard. Is this how you read it ? Passerby reads it differently in his reply to me above. It’s confusing to tell as I couldn’t read which post of mine he/she responded to as the comments reply section going a bit weird this morning.1 -
secretsquirrel1Online Community Member Posts: 1,283 ChampioningMay 28Passerby28 May 2025It’s terrible that they can remove points during reassessment. Mist conditions don’t improve, in fact they get worse with age .
I definitely think there should be set rules as it all seems to be down to luck . Even the 10 year light touch , I’ve asked so many people how they’re awarded yet no one really knows.We do know.
"The benefit ends so as to allow the reassessment process to begin."
Points aren't removed but awarded under whatever rules are in place. DWP guidance is updated and shared after the event.
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